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K.T.Tran wrote:Either the Eagles team is really messed up right now or they really do need TO :sweat: :sweat:

Eagles came back, but still ended up losing in the end, 27-24. :victory:

49ers score 19.... :applaud: Give up an astonishing 48. :sweat:

dochira wrote:49ers score 19.... :applaud: Give up an astonishing 48. :sweat:

who did they play against????

K.T.Tran wrote:
who did they play against????

The San-Diego---Super-Chargers.

dochira wrote:
The San-Diego---Super-Chargers.

hooooo.......its like the complete opposite of when they played each other in that Super Bowl....cept Steve Young and Jerry Rice were playing then and along with a better defense too

K.T.Tran wrote:
hooooo.......its like the complete opposite of when they played each other in that Super Bowl....cept Steve Young and Jerry Rice were playing then and along with a better defense too

Oddly, the score is very similar... 49-26 in Super Bowl XXIX.

dochira wrote:The San-Diego---Super-Chargers.

Marty-Ball works on some teams. ;)

bmwracer wrote:
Marty-Ball works on some teams. ;)

I know you were humming the Chargers theme song in your head.

dochira wrote:I know you were humming the Chargers theme song in your head.

They have a theme song?

bmwracer wrote:
They have a theme song?

If you want to, you can ignore the video and listen to the audio
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDTMGSC77H4

:rofl:

San Diego....Super Chargers!

I don't know if it's the theme actually, but I think of it when I hear the Chargers mentioned.

bmwracer wrote:
Marty-Ball works on some teams. ;)

What you saw on Sunday versus the Forty-niners was not Marty-ball. You know, after the Chargers lost to the Ravens when you saw Marty-ball at its finest (don't play to win, play not to lose), Schottenheimer was ripped by many in the San Diego area. Publicly, he remained defiant, saying he was not going to change his philosophy and what he was doing was the right thing. In the ensuing two games however, there was no question the play-calling was more aggressive than conservative. This was like a couple of years ago when the Chargers offense began the season playing typical Marty-ball--Tomlinson up the middle, throw to Tomlinson in the flat on second and long, keep Tomlinson and Gates in to block on third and long. At that time Schotteheimer was ripped in the media and he responded in his usual defiant manner. But guess what--the Chargers began throwing the ball more on first down, Gates became a big-time weapon, and Tomlinson started getting more yards by running off-tackle and on the perimeter than by just running dives and iso's between the guards. The Chargers won the division, but then reverted to Marty-ball against the Jets in the play-offs and lost. So people in San Diego still remain skeptical as to whether Marty will continue to allow his offensive staff to be aggressive in its play-calling.

dochira wrote:
The San-Diego---Super-Chargers.

2005
49ers 4 wins 12 losses
Chargers 9 wins 7 losses

still the Niners have a more tougher schedule then the Chargers :shakehead:

shin2 wrote:What you saw on Sunday versus the Forty-niners was not Marty-ball. You know, after the Chargers lost to the Ravens when you saw Marty-ball at its finest (don't play to win, play not to lose), Schottenheimer was ripped by many in the San Diego area. Publicly, he remained defiant, saying he was not going to change his philosophy and what he was doing was the right thing. In the ensuing two games however, there was no question the play-calling was more aggressive than conservative. This was like a couple of years ago when the Chargers offense began the season playing typical Marty-ball--Tomlinson up the middle, throw to Tomlinson in the flat on second and long, keep Tomlinson and Gates in to block on third and long. At that time Schotteheimer was ripped in the media and he responded in his usual defiant manner. But guess what--the Chargers began throwing the ball more on first down, Gates became a big-time weapon, and Tomlinson started getting more yards by running off-tackle and on the perimeter than by just running dives and iso's between the guards. The Chargers won the division, but then reverted to Marty-ball against the Jets in the play-offs and lost. So people in San Diego still remain skeptical as to whether Marty will continue to allow his offensive staff to be aggressive in its play-calling.

So every loss is blamed on Marty-ball and every win is not, ne? :beaten:

If Marty ball is defined by a mindless devotion to running the ball, then no, the Chargers weren't playing Marty ball vs the Niners.

If however you define Marty ball as a conservative approach to offense... never taking a chance, never being too aggressive... then that was Marty ball to the hilt.

When playing what the Niners laughingly call their defense, there is no safer, no more conservative approach than throwing the ball.

The Niners have had some marginal success stopping the run this year. But your average pop warner QB could throw for 300 yards against them.

0 pass pressure. No Safety men. Bad corner play.

Throwing the ball on every offensive play? Nothing could be more conservative.

bmwracer wrote:
So every loss is blamed on Marty-ball and every win is not, ne? :beaten:

For some people, yeah, for others, no. In most of the team's seven losses last year, for example, while Chargers fans were upset, there was no blame it on Marty-ball outcry. Savvy fans and most of the media could see the offense was trying to be versatile and aggressive. But in this year's loss to the Ravens (you saw that game, right?) when the offense just closed up completely, yeah, the issue of Marty-ball resurfaced again.

Geezer wrote:If Marty ball is defined by a mindless devotion to running the ball, then no, the Chargers weren't playing Marty ball vs the Niners.

If however you define Marty ball as a conservative approach to offense... never taking a chance, never being too aggressive... then that was Marty ball to the hilt.

When playing what the Niners laughingly call their defense, there is no safer, no more conservative approach than throwing the ball.

The Niners have had some marginal success stopping the run this year. But your average pop warner QB could throw for 300 yards against them.

0 pass pressure. No Safety men. Bad corner play.

Throwing the ball on every offensive play? Nothing could be more conservative.

Very astute commentary, Geezer. Man, it must kill you watching the Forty-niners these last few years. What was the flagship franchise of the NFL is now this. Is the York family still being vilified up in the Bay area? I guess one positive to hang your hat on is that the offense seems to have improved over last year.
Marty-ball, as I see it, is more an approach towards winning than just mindless running the ball. The establishment of advantageous field position is as vital as scoring (what Bob Neyland of Tennessee used to preach [am I dating myself here?]); a dependence on safe plays, whether runs or passes, where the turnover risk is minimized; and never putting your defense in bad situations are some of the offensive precepts of his philosophy over the years.

shin2 wrote:But in this year's loss to the Ravens (you saw that game, right?)

I saw it from beginning to end... The Chargers were pretty much in control of the game, but didn't apply the coup de grace and let the Ravens steal the game. Everyone who was rooting for the Chargers felt cheated that day.:bleh:

bmwracer wrote:
I saw it from beginning to end... The Chargers were pretty much in control of the game, but didn't apply the coup de grace and let the Ravens steal the game. Everyone who was rooting for the Chargers felt cheated that day.:bleh:

For those rooting for the Chargers, (cliche coming up) that was a bitter pill to swallow. But it's nothing compared to if you were an Arizona Cardinals fan who watched the game against Bears on Monday night. :banghead: :shocked: :shamefulcry: :shakehead: :beatyou: :bleh:

shin2 wrote:For those rooting for the Chargers, (cliche coming up) that was a bitter pill to swallow. But it's nothing compared to if you were an Arizona Cardinals fan who watched the game against Bears on Monday night. :banghead: :shocked: :shamefulcry: :shakehead: :beatyou: :bleh:

I didn't see that game (no cable), but only the Cardinals could snatch defeat from the mouth of victory... The Bears were begging to lose, no one more than Rex Grossman (4 picks, 2 fumbles), and the Cardinals refused to oblige...

I pity all those who were rooting for Da Bears to lose and were denied. :sweat:

Stinkin' UCLA plays Marty-ball at the end and loses to Notre Dame 20-17. :shakehead: :shakehead:

Defeat snatched from the mouth of victory. :bleh: