bmwracer wrote:
If this were a horse race, Hillary would've been put down weeks ago.
Indeed. She'd be at the glue factory.
Indeed. She'd be at the glue factory.
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Started by pcmodem · 6 Oct 2004 · 1,480 replies
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Indeed. She'd be at the glue factory.
the follow out continues...
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Hillary Clinton's colossal blunder simply the last straw
Saturday, May 24th 2008, 4:00 AM
Neel/AP
Hillary Clinton apologized Friday after citing the June 1968 assassination of Robert F. Kennedy (below) in defending her decision to keep running for the Democratic presidential nomination.
Eppridge/Time Life/Getty
SICK. Disgusting. And yet revealing. Hillary Clinton is staying in the race in the event some nut kills Barack Obama.
It could happen, but what definitely has happened is that Clinton has killed her own chances of being vice president. She doesn't deserve to be elected dog catcher anywhere now.
Her shocking comment to a South Dakota newspaper might qualify as the dumbest thing ever said in American politics.
Her lame explanation that she brought up the 1968 assassination of Robert Kennedy because his brother Ted's illness was on her mind doesn't cut it. Not even close.
We have seen an X-ray of a very dark soul. One consumed by raw ambition to where the possible assassination of an opponent is something to ponder in a strategic way. Otherwise, why is murder on her mind?
It's like Tanya Harding's kneecapping has come to politics. Only the senator from New York has more lethal fantasies than that nutty skater.
We could have seen it coming, if only we had realized Clinton's thinking could be so cold. She has grown increasingly wild in her imagery lately, invoking everything from slavery to the political killings in Zimbabwe in making her argument for the Florida and Michigan delegations. She claimed to be the victim of sexism, despite winning the votes of white men.
But none of it was moving the nomination needle, with Obama, despite recent dents, still on course to be the victor.
So she kept digging deeper, looking for the magic button. Instead, she pushed the eject button, lifting herself right out of consideration.
Giving voice to such a vile thought is all the more horrible because fears Obama would be killed have been an undercurrent to his astonishing rise. Republican Mike Huckabee made a stupid joke about it recently. Many black Americans have talked of it, reflecting their assumption that racists would never tolerate a black President and that Obama would be taken from them.
Clinton has now fed that fear. She needs a very long vacation. And we need one from her.
Say good night, Hillary. And go away.
[email protected]
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Hillary Clinton's colossal blunder simply the last straw
Saturday, May 24th 2008, 4:00 AM
Neel/AP
Hillary Clinton apologized Friday after citing the June 1968 assassination of Robert F. Kennedy (below) in defending her decision to keep running for the Democratic presidential nomination.
Eppridge/Time Life/Getty
SICK. Disgusting. And yet revealing. Hillary Clinton is staying in the race in the event some nut kills Barack Obama.
It could happen, but what definitely has happened is that Clinton has killed her own chances of being vice president. She doesn't deserve to be elected dog catcher anywhere now.
Her shocking comment to a South Dakota newspaper might qualify as the dumbest thing ever said in American politics.
Her lame explanation that she brought up the 1968 assassination of Robert Kennedy because his brother Ted's illness was on her mind doesn't cut it. Not even close.
We have seen an X-ray of a very dark soul. One consumed by raw ambition to where the possible assassination of an opponent is something to ponder in a strategic way. Otherwise, why is murder on her mind?
It's like Tanya Harding's kneecapping has come to politics. Only the senator from New York has more lethal fantasies than that nutty skater.
We could have seen it coming, if only we had realized Clinton's thinking could be so cold. She has grown increasingly wild in her imagery lately, invoking everything from slavery to the political killings in Zimbabwe in making her argument for the Florida and Michigan delegations. She claimed to be the victim of sexism, despite winning the votes of white men.
But none of it was moving the nomination needle, with Obama, despite recent dents, still on course to be the victor.
So she kept digging deeper, looking for the magic button. Instead, she pushed the eject button, lifting herself right out of consideration.
Giving voice to such a vile thought is all the more horrible because fears Obama would be killed have been an undercurrent to his astonishing rise. Republican Mike Huckabee made a stupid joke about it recently. Many black Americans have talked of it, reflecting their assumption that racists would never tolerate a black President and that Obama would be taken from them.
Clinton has now fed that fear. She needs a very long vacation. And we need one from her.
Say good night, Hillary. And go away.
[email protected]
Excerpt from Yahoo! News ( http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20080527/pl_politico/10649 ):
Exclusive: McClellan whacks Bush, White House
Mike Allen
Tue May 27, 7:18 PM ET
Former White House Press Secretary Scott McClellan writes in a surprisingly scathing memoir to be published next week that President Bush gveered terribly off course,h was not gopen and forthright on Iraq,h and took a gpermanent campaign approachh to governing at the expense of candor and competence.
Among the most explosive revelations in the 341-page book, titled gWhat Happened: Inside the Bush White House and Washingtonfs Culture of Deceptionh (Public Affairs, $27.95):
• McClellan charges that Bush relied on gpropagandah to sell the war.
• He says the White House press corps was too easy on the administration during the run-up to the war.
• He admits that some of his own assertions from the briefing room podium turned out to be gbadly misguided.h
• The longtime Bush loyalist also suggests that two top aides held a secret West Wing meeting to get their story straight about the CIA leak case at a time when federal prosecutors were after them \ and McClellan was continuing to defend them despite mounting evidence they had not given him all the facts.
• McClellan asserts that the aides \ Karl Rove, the presidentfs senior adviser, and I. Lewis gScooterh Libby, the vice presidentfs chief of staff \ ghad at best misledh him about their role in the disclosure of former CIA operative Valerie Plamefs identity.
A few reporters were offered advance copies of the book, with the restriction that their stories not appear until Sunday, the day before the official publication date. Politico declined and purchased gWhat Happenedh at a Washington bookstore.
The eagerly awaited book, while recounting many fond memories of Bush and describing him as gauthentich and gsincere,h is harsher than reporters and White House officials had expected.
Exclusive: McClellan whacks Bush, White House
Mike Allen
Tue May 27, 7:18 PM ET
Former White House Press Secretary Scott McClellan writes in a surprisingly scathing memoir to be published next week that President Bush gveered terribly off course,h was not gopen and forthright on Iraq,h and took a gpermanent campaign approachh to governing at the expense of candor and competence.
Among the most explosive revelations in the 341-page book, titled gWhat Happened: Inside the Bush White House and Washingtonfs Culture of Deceptionh (Public Affairs, $27.95):
• McClellan charges that Bush relied on gpropagandah to sell the war.
• He says the White House press corps was too easy on the administration during the run-up to the war.
• He admits that some of his own assertions from the briefing room podium turned out to be gbadly misguided.h
• The longtime Bush loyalist also suggests that two top aides held a secret West Wing meeting to get their story straight about the CIA leak case at a time when federal prosecutors were after them \ and McClellan was continuing to defend them despite mounting evidence they had not given him all the facts.
• McClellan asserts that the aides \ Karl Rove, the presidentfs senior adviser, and I. Lewis gScooterh Libby, the vice presidentfs chief of staff \ ghad at best misledh him about their role in the disclosure of former CIA operative Valerie Plamefs identity.
A few reporters were offered advance copies of the book, with the restriction that their stories not appear until Sunday, the day before the official publication date. Politico declined and purchased gWhat Happenedh at a Washington bookstore.
The eagerly awaited book, while recounting many fond memories of Bush and describing him as gauthentich and gsincere,h is harsher than reporters and White House officials had expected.
From Yahoo! News ( http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080528/ap_on_el_pr/clinton ):
Clinton still insists she's more electable
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What a pathetic, deluded individual she is. :shakehead:
Clinton still insists she's more electable
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What a pathetic, deluded individual she is. :shakehead:
IIRC, she won in more redneck places right? In general election, those votes will probably go to McCain, cause he's a man, white and like to shoot stuff up.
I never understood how the voting process worked. Everywhere else in the world it's 50% + 1, but the mix by state, electors with more voting power than regular ones and their amounts always eluded me. Does the states, where she won, have more voting power than those of Obama?
I never understood how the voting process worked. Everywhere else in the world it's 50% + 1, but the mix by state, electors with more voting power than regular ones and their amounts always eluded me. Does the states, where she won, have more voting power than those of Obama?
Hillary has turned into a sad gimp...willing to do cart wheels and monkey flips for attention.
She will say anything and do anything to try to press her case...she compared the Michigan and Florida dilemma to voter fraud in Zimbabwe...gimme a f*ckin' break! She even compared it to the civil rights movement of the 1960s.....even African-American Gov. Patterson of NY, a Hillary supporter mind you, basically said that was ridiculous....she wants to elevate this whole dilemma to the civil rights movement which fundamentally altered this country...she is absolutely dumb. I'd like to see a survey of African-Americans in this country to see if they agree with her...anybody wanna take that bet?
She will say anything and do anything to try to press her case...she compared the Michigan and Florida dilemma to voter fraud in Zimbabwe...gimme a f*ckin' break! She even compared it to the civil rights movement of the 1960s.....even African-American Gov. Patterson of NY, a Hillary supporter mind you, basically said that was ridiculous....she wants to elevate this whole dilemma to the civil rights movement which fundamentally altered this country...she is absolutely dumb. I'd like to see a survey of African-Americans in this country to see if they agree with her...anybody wanna take that bet?
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:hehe:
The only voter fraud in Florida was in 2000.
Funny how the favorite candidate at the beginning always loose in the end. The same thing happens here. Since 2005, everybody was saying the next election would be between Clinton and Giuliani. Neither one of them will be there. I guess everybody gets bored of hearing about them when elections starts. :sweat:
The only voter fraud in Florida was in 2000.
Funny how the favorite candidate at the beginning always loose in the end. The same thing happens here. Since 2005, everybody was saying the next election would be between Clinton and Giuliani. Neither one of them will be there. I guess everybody gets bored of hearing about them when elections starts. :sweat:
tabana wrote::hehe:
The only voter fraud in Florida was in 2000.
Funny how the favorite candidate at the beginning always loose in the end. The same thing happens here. Since 2005, everybody was saying the next election would be between Clinton and Giuliani. Neither one of them will be there. I guess everybody gets bored of hearing about them when elections starts. :sweat:
Giuliani was a total dork...his whole strategy was to miss the first three primary elections: Iowa, New Hampshire, etc.. thinking he was gonig to come in first in Florida.....that fool came in fourth...what kind of idiot decides not to campaign in the first three states thinking he will win by a landslide in Florida...
I knew he got f up, but didn't know why. Wow... guess he overestimated his popularity. Kind of dumb to ignore the first states. :sweat:
tabana wrote:I knew he got f up, but didn't know why. Wow... guess he overestimated his popularity. Kind of dumb to ignore the first states. :sweat:
Exactly...and because he ignored them...he basically had very little media coverage during that initial phase of the election cycle so nobody was really even talking about him....he shot himself in the @ss...then Clinton rubbed it for him. :beaten:
Former Sec. of the Treasury Paul O'Neil on his time with Bush in Cabinet meetings:
"Bush was like a blind man in a room of deaf people."
-- Enough said.
"Bush was like a blind man in a room of deaf people."
-- Enough said.
:hehe:
Wow... you know it's bad when pretty much everybody who worked on this administration says the same. Shouldn't they be on his side. :sweat: I bet the new book, by the former white house spokesman, will sell like hot cakes.
Wow... you know it's bad when pretty much everybody who worked on this administration says the same. Shouldn't they be on his side. :sweat: I bet the new book, by the former white house spokesman, will sell like hot cakes.
I'm not a Hillary fan. Never have been. For years I've thought the only people who really wanted her to run for the White House were the Republicans... because they were pretty sure they could beat her.
But with all the Hillary bashing that's going on in this thread I thought I'd give her a little credit.
The thing that really ticked me off about the last two Democratic candidates, Gore and Kerry, is that they quit. Gore didn't have the stones to stick it out and demand a recount... which is why we still hear people whinning about how he won the popular vote and the Supreme Court gave the office to Bush. And Kerry didn't have the sand to stand up to the swift boaters. And he folded long before the results were in.
Hillary is teaching the Democrats something the Republicans have known for a long time. And that's: in big time politics you fight until the bell. No mas doesn't play in this league. And if the press doesn't like it... well, what's the press done for us lately?
The other thing I give her credit for is that she's kept both her name and Obama's name in the public eye all the way into June.
The main question about Obama early on was... Who is he? Not many people across the country knew who the heck the guy was.
But because Hillary stayed in the race so long, Obama has been on TV almost every evening for over a year. He's introduced himself to the whole dang country now. And the numbers say he's made a good impression. And that's gonna come in handy when he goes up against Grand-pa war-hero.
Introducing Obama wasn't her intent... but it's the result. And I'm grateful.
Oh, and all the hugga-mugga about her bringing up Bobby Kennedy's name... Why would she do that!?!?!?!
Well, what other relative of a former President moved to New York and within the first year of their residency ran for and won a Senate Seat... mostly because of their famous relative... and then went on to run for the Presidency themselves?
Oh yeah! It was Bobby Kennedy!
Hillary's connection to the Kennedys, and to Bobby Kennedy in particular is pretty clear. And when it was announced that Ted Kennedy has a brain tumor and probably isn't long for this world (knock wood) I don't think it's odd that she'd think about... talk about Bobby.
That people could turn that into the idea that she was suggesting she was staying in the race because Obama might be shot just gives me the runs.
I've got my own reasons for not wanting to see Hillary in the White House. But her fighting it out to the end ain't one of them.
But with all the Hillary bashing that's going on in this thread I thought I'd give her a little credit.
The thing that really ticked me off about the last two Democratic candidates, Gore and Kerry, is that they quit. Gore didn't have the stones to stick it out and demand a recount... which is why we still hear people whinning about how he won the popular vote and the Supreme Court gave the office to Bush. And Kerry didn't have the sand to stand up to the swift boaters. And he folded long before the results were in.
Hillary is teaching the Democrats something the Republicans have known for a long time. And that's: in big time politics you fight until the bell. No mas doesn't play in this league. And if the press doesn't like it... well, what's the press done for us lately?
The other thing I give her credit for is that she's kept both her name and Obama's name in the public eye all the way into June.
The main question about Obama early on was... Who is he? Not many people across the country knew who the heck the guy was.
But because Hillary stayed in the race so long, Obama has been on TV almost every evening for over a year. He's introduced himself to the whole dang country now. And the numbers say he's made a good impression. And that's gonna come in handy when he goes up against Grand-pa war-hero.
Introducing Obama wasn't her intent... but it's the result. And I'm grateful.
Oh, and all the hugga-mugga about her bringing up Bobby Kennedy's name... Why would she do that!?!?!?!
Well, what other relative of a former President moved to New York and within the first year of their residency ran for and won a Senate Seat... mostly because of their famous relative... and then went on to run for the Presidency themselves?
Oh yeah! It was Bobby Kennedy!
Hillary's connection to the Kennedys, and to Bobby Kennedy in particular is pretty clear. And when it was announced that Ted Kennedy has a brain tumor and probably isn't long for this world (knock wood) I don't think it's odd that she'd think about... talk about Bobby.
That people could turn that into the idea that she was suggesting she was staying in the race because Obama might be shot just gives me the runs.
I've got my own reasons for not wanting to see Hillary in the White House. But her fighting it out to the end ain't one of them.
Geezer that is well said and expresses my sentiments almost exactly. However, I feel strongly that we can't take any chances of letting the republicans slip one over on us AGAIN. So despite all the rock star adulation band wagon, the candidate most likely to beat a powerful war hero figure must be the one selected for this important task.
All that fawning and adulation will not do anyone one bit of good if in the end we are stuck with another 4 year Bush clone administration.
All that fawning and adulation will not do anyone one bit of good if in the end we are stuck with another 4 year Bush clone administration.
Ralph
Yup. Now the question is... Which one is most likely to beat him?
I don't think it's Hillary. But then I thought Pat Paulson could have beaten W after that cluster F of a first term.
And to be honest... I really do think Paulson could beat McCain this time... even though Paulson died a few years ago.
But the voters never cease to amaze.
Just for myself, I think Obama brings what's needed to the party this time around. A smart guy with a talent for bringing disparate groups together and getting them to talk like adults. (Rather than a Cowboy wannabe who thinks he can spread Democracy at the point of an M-16.)
If the "...rock star adulation band wagon" is what it takes to get him in there... I'm okay with that.
As for Hillary. Aside from her failings as a politician and a leader (and I think there are many of those) the neo-cons have spent 15 years convincing their followers that she is their worst nightmare.
I think they'd have an easy time rallying their base, and getting people out to vote against her. Even if they don't think much of McCain.
the candidate most likely to beat a powerful war hero figure must be the one selected
Yup. Now the question is... Which one is most likely to beat him?
I don't think it's Hillary. But then I thought Pat Paulson could have beaten W after that cluster F of a first term.
And to be honest... I really do think Paulson could beat McCain this time... even though Paulson died a few years ago.
But the voters never cease to amaze.
Just for myself, I think Obama brings what's needed to the party this time around. A smart guy with a talent for bringing disparate groups together and getting them to talk like adults. (Rather than a Cowboy wannabe who thinks he can spread Democracy at the point of an M-16.)
If the "...rock star adulation band wagon" is what it takes to get him in there... I'm okay with that.
As for Hillary. Aside from her failings as a politician and a leader (and I think there are many of those) the neo-cons have spent 15 years convincing their followers that she is their worst nightmare.
I think they'd have an easy time rallying their base, and getting people out to vote against her. Even if they don't think much of McCain.
Unfortunately Hillary does have a huge following and it must be taken into account or when all the hurrah has died down we may be saddled with our worst nightmare for another 4 years. I hope the rock star will have the common sense to take Hillary as his vice presidential running mate and thereby form an absolutely unbeatable ticket since the base will be super solid.
Looks like it's over...
Clinton says she's open to being Obama's VP
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080603/ap_on_el_pr/clinton_39
Tho I doubt they can look like best friends next to each other, without looking like hypocrites, that might be their best deal, for the general election. Since they pretty much each won half the vote. I guess that could solve the problem where, in a few states, one of them wasn't really liked. Oh well... we still have 5 months to hear about nothing else but election. :beaten:
Clinton says she's open to being Obama's VP
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080603/ap_on_el_pr/clinton_39
Tho I doubt they can look like best friends next to each other, without looking like hypocrites, that might be their best deal, for the general election. Since they pretty much each won half the vote. I guess that could solve the problem where, in a few states, one of them wasn't really liked. Oh well... we still have 5 months to hear about nothing else but election. :beaten:
tabana wrote:Looks like it's over...
It was over in February....someone finally kicked Hillary in the head and she came to her senses.
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