Basketball (NBA, College, etc.)

Started by bmwracer · 6 Oct 2004 · 7,377 replies

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27 Oct 2004, 05:58 #281
mvc wrote:Well you guys are forgetting Joe Smith. God damn. Joe Smith as a #1 pick. -_- And the thing with Arenas was unfortunate. We actually took a chance on the guy, but we ended up getting screwed.

But I still like our young core. I just hope it stays intact. And Pietrus is a good player, but we already had a SG.


Joe Smith is another conservative pick. KG went 5th and I believe McDyssey was 2nd but Smith always had potential. Never reached it though. He never wanted to be great and that's what was sad about it.
27 Oct 2004, 06:09 #282
dochira wrote:
Absolutely. At least the last two seasons they were sniffing .500. Hopefully Monty can do something with this team. I didn't mind E-Muss since he brought some respectability back to the Warriors.


Musslemen was aight. No hard feelings toward him since he actually made some good runs. I'm not a fan of college coaches becoming pro, so I have my reservations about Monty. I just think that college coaches are used to being able to recruit the best whereas in the pro's WYSIWYG.
27 Oct 2004, 06:29 #283
mvc wrote:

Musslemen was aight. No hard feelings toward him since he actually made some good runs. I'm not a fan of college coaches becoming pro, so I have my reservations about Monty. I just think that college coaches are used to being able to recruit the best whereas in the pro's WYSIWYG.


Yup Muss was cool. As shaq said, he's this little midget coach on the sideline :hehe: :hehe: :hehe:

But he was heca into it and stuck it out for the Warriors. I wish they would have given him another year. Like you, I'm not a big fan of college coaches going pro. See Rick Pitino and how about those Red Skins with Steve Spurrier :hehe: :hehe:

Ahhh I'm mixing too many sports together, lol
27 Oct 2004, 06:39 #284
eltinator wrote:

Like you, I'm not a big fan of college coaches going pro. See Rick Pitino and how about those Red Skins with Steve Spurrier :hehe: :hehe:

Ahhh I'm mixing too many sports together, lol

Yeah, look at the 49ers coach, Dennis Erickson. He came from Oregon to coach the pros. Oh, wait, he was once the coach of the formerly-laughable-Seattle Seahawks. :hehe:
27 Oct 2004, 06:58 #285
Geezer wrote:Warriors draft curse?

Have you guys noticed how many Warrior Draft choices have gone on to be all stars... for other teams?



Thanks for reminding me... :mecry:

Caught some of the Rod Brooks Show on KNBR this afternoon, he was interviewing an editor from GQ magazine. [b]GQ considers the old school San Francisco Warriors uniform to be the best uniform in the history of the NBA.
-PCM
27 Oct 2004, 07:46 #286
pcmodem wrote:GQ considers the old school San Francisco Warriors uniform to be the best uniform in the history of the NBA.

Wha???? The one that says "The City?"

Get real. :shakehead: :shakehead:
27 Oct 2004, 07:54 #287
dochira wrote:
Yeah, look at the 49ers coach, Dennis Erickson. He came from Oregon to coach the pros. Oh, wait, he was once the coach of the formerly-laughable-Seattle Seahawks. :hehe:


Yeah Erickson was a HORRIBLE choice. How the heck do you fire Mariucci and hire Erickson in his place? :headscratch:
27 Oct 2004, 07:57 #288
mvc wrote:

Yeah Erickson was a HORRIBLE choice. How the heck do you fire Mariucci and hire Erickson in his place? :headscratch:

I have been scratching my head on that one. That's something only Dr. York and Denise Debartolo-York can answer. And where's the new stadium I've been hearing about for a few years now? They mentioned something recently, but nothing set in stone yet.
27 Oct 2004, 13:52 #289
mvc wrote:

Yeah Erickson was a HORRIBLE choice. How the heck do you fire Mariucci and hire Erickson in his place? :headscratch:


Probably cause of Owens and his disputes.
29 Oct 2004, 11:20 #290
Lakers beat the Wizards in the final game of the preseason 97-87... :D

The regular season starts on November 2! :applaud:
30 Oct 2004, 03:58 #291
See? I'm not the only one who's pissed about the Big Doofus finally losing weight... What a punk.



From the Daily Breeze:

Shame on Shaq for waiting so long to get in shape
Laker fans and management have to scratch their heads at star center's sudden dedication to fitness.


What, Shaquille O'Neal couldn't find a Weight Watchers program in Los Angeles? Or a Jenny Craig center?

He certainly didn't seem to have any problems finding an open Krispy Kreme his last two seasons as a Laker.

Instead of spending so much time calling Kobe Bryant a ball hog, if only O'Neal had spent less time living high on the hog. It's fair to say he ate the Lakers out of house and home-court advantage.

Shortly after the Lakers were defeated by the Detroit Pistons in the NBA Finals, O'Neal demanded to be traded. The reason is obvious: he got too big for his britches.

The Lakers lost when O'Neal was dealt to the Miami Heat. But it turns out O'Neal is The Biggest Loser ...

... of about 30 pounds.

That's right, he has not only shed his familiar No. 34 for No. 32, but has shed the anchor he had been dragging up and down the court.

On the Lakers' roster, O'Neal was listed at 330. The past two seasons that figure was laughable.

Now it's enough to make Laker fans cry, because it's accurate.

I mean, have you seen O'Neal during the preseason? He is streamlined. His waistline figure is no longer the same as his free-throw shooting percentage.

Yes, Shaq is shipshape.

What a sinking feeling for Laker fans.

• • •

The Lakers' three-peat run all but ended before the 2002-03 season even began because O'Neal delayed having off-season surgery on his injured big toe. As a result, he missed the first 12 games and never did get in tip-top shape.

A (big) shadow of his Most Dominating Ever form, O'Neal bristled at any mention of his girth. Despite Coach Phil Jackson urging him to lose some baggage, O'Neal remained heavy, and slow, last season.

Turning injury into insult, this summer O'Neal has been eating healthier than Jack LaLanne and running on a treadmill as though he were training for a marathon.

Supersized french fries are not his Miami vice. Instead of eating around the clock, he's promoting a string of 24-hour fitness clubs. Where once he could barely fit through a hangar door, he has lately been sighted in AmericanAirlines Arena working out at midnight.

As a result, his weight has fallen faster than a flopping Vlade Divac.

Even O'Neal's attitude has had an extreme makeover. Instead of complaining about how The Big Dog needs to be fed the ball on offense, he's embracing the idea of being a consistent defensive force -- exactly what the Lakers of late needed but didn't get.

All of which is like rubbing seasoned salt in a wounded franchise. Why couldn't O'Neal have been The Big Dedicated as a Laker? The Big Dog should issue an apology to Laker fans for being an underachieving fat cat the past two seasons. He should feel guilty for taking $25 million a season from owner Jerry Buss while giving less than his best.

• • •

Better yet, O'Neal should give Laker ticket buyers a refund. I mean, when Bruce Springsteen has laryngitis, he doesn't go through the motions and steal the fans' money.

Shaq went through the motions the last two seasons. Especially last season when he averaged only 21.5 points per game -- nearly half a dozen points below his career average. With his fitness level up, look for his scoring to do likewise this season.

Fast food is no longer making O'Neal slower than cold ketchup. Rather, he is leaner than a grilled skinless chicken breast and quicker than seems possible for someone 7-foot-1 and 32 years old.

Now the question is, "Can he keep the weight off through the holidays?"

Well, like someone going back to a high school reunion, you know Shaq will want to look his best for his reunion with the Lakers on Christmas Day at Staples Center. Bryant, especially, may want to wear a flak jacket if he has any intentions of flying in for a slam dunk when O'Neal is in the game.

For Laker fans, it will be hard to watch the slimmed down O'Neal have a big game, much less a big season, in a Heat uniform.

Here's hoping The Big LaLanne's free-throw percentage is skinnier than ever.
2 Nov 2004, 12:46 #292
L.A. Times makes its predictions for the 2004-2005 season:

Spurs to win the West, Kings 3rd, Lakers 8th position, Warriors 10th.

Heat to finish first in the East 'cause they've got the Big Doofus and no one in the East to stop him other than fast food restaurants....
2 Nov 2004, 12:53 #293
bmwracer wrote:L.A. Times makes its predictions for the 2004-2005 season:

Spurs to win the West, Kings 3rd, Lakers 8th position, Warriors 10th.

Heat to finish first in the East 'cause they've got the Big Doofus and no one in the East to stop him other than fast food restaurants....


Warriors 10th?!?!? Ok fine that is sort of realistic. C'mon Warriors, we can do it! :hehe: :hehe:
2 Nov 2004, 13:18 #294
Here's the full report:

WESTERN CONFERENCE CAPSULES

SAN ANTONIO 1
SPURS
Projected Starters
G Tony Parker
G Manu Ginobili
F Bruce Bowen
F Tim Duncan
C Rasho Nesterovic
• 2003-04 record: 57-25 (2nd in West).

• Offense: 91.5 (19). Defense: 84.3 (1, tie).

• Coming: Brent Barry, Tony Massenburg, No. 1 pick Beno Udrih.

• Going: Hedo Turkoglu, Kevin Willis, Charlie Ward, Ron Mercer, Jason Hart.

• Outlook: Meet the new boss, not the same as the old boss. With the Lakers gone, the Spurs become the team everyone knows they have to beat. In the midst of a rebuilding program after winning a title in 1999, the Spurs won another in 2003, and now, with only Tim Duncan and Malik Rose there from the '99 champs, they're looking pretty much rebuilt. Last spring, Phil Jackson challenged the Spurs to beat them from outside as the Lakers eliminated them. That won't work as well with three-point ace Barry taking the shots.

• Prediction: They're not dominating, but they're the best.


MINNESOTA 2
TIMBERWOLVES
Projected Starters
G Sam Cassell
G Latrell Sprewell
F Trenton Hassell
F Kevin Garnett
C Ervin Johnson
• 2003-04 record: 58-24 (1st in West).

• Offense: 94.5 (10). Defense: 89.1 (7).

• Coming: Eddie Griffin.

• Going: Gary Trent.

• Outlook: They're not small-market wretches anymore. Having suffered every catastrophe modern basketball could visit on them, from J.R. Rider to Stephon Marbury to David Stern's Judge Dredd decree, the Timberwolves have steadily climbed into the circle of elite teams. Last season they finally got out of the first round and gave the Lakers trouble in a six-game West finals, with little from Sam Cassell, with Troy Hudson out most of the season and Michael Olowokandi giving them next to nothing. Now they're a power with a $68-million payroll, No. 5 in the league, and their best may be yet to come.

• Prediction: All they need is better health, and, for once, some luck.


SACRAMENTO 3
KINGS
Projected Starters
G Mike Bibby
G Doug Christie
F Peja Stojakovic
F Chris Webber
C Brad Miller
• 2003-04 record: 55-27 (4th in West).

• Offense: 102.8 (2). Defense: 97.8 (25).

• Coming: Greg Ostertag, Courtney Alexander, Matt Barnes.

• Going: Vlade Divac, Anthony Peeler, Rodney Buford, Tony Massenburg.

• Outlook: After all those years when they had bad breaks but good chemistry, they developed issues last season. After a 43-15 start, Chris Webber came back limping and they went down the drain. Webber pointed a finger at Peja Stojakovic, who then asked to be traded, and Divac, who was like their den father, left. Nevertheless, Bobby Jackson is back, and Webber looks closer to being Chris Webber, so they're not done yet.

• Prediction: Without issues, at the top of their game, they can play with anyone. Now to see if they're ever there again.


HOUSTON 4
ROCKETS
Projected Starters
G Charlie Ward
G Tracy McGrady
F Jim Jackson
F Juwan Howard
C Yao Ming
• 2003-4 record: 45-37 (7th in West).

• Offense: 89.8 (25); Defense: 88.0 (5).

• Coming: Tracy McGrady, Juwan Howard, Ty Lue, Bob Sura, Dikembe Mutombo, Charlie Ward, Ryan Bowen.

• Going: Steve Francis, Cuttino Mobley, Kelvin Cato, Eric Piatkowski, Adrian Griffin.

• Outlook: Jeff Van Gundy's arrival signaled the end of their knucklehead backcourt, which struggled with his structured offense. McGrady must prove he's not last season's sulky quitter, but he's still a monster talent who'll be more effective in a real program with a 7-foot-5 center and a real coach on his back. They had to scramble to re-assemble a roster, and they're not done yet. Point guard is a problem with journeymen Ward, Lue and Sura.

• Prediction: The game's new best tandem of Yao and McGrady won't win as much as the former best tandem, but will get along better.


MEMPHIS 5
GRIZZLIES
Projected Starters
G Jason Williams
G Mike Miller
F James Posey
F Pau Gasol
C Lorenzen Wright
• 2003-04 record: 50-32 (6th in West).

• Offense: 96.7 (7). Defense: 94.3 (15).

• Coming: Brian Cardinal.

• Going: No one.

• Outlook: Team President Jerry West took them from 23 wins, when he got there in 2002, to last season's stunning 50. The hard part is figuring where to go from here. The Grizzlies defied common wisdom by winning big without a star player or much size, and they're bringing the same team back. The management team, however, is another matter. West is in the third season of his four-year deal and, typically, just hoping to make it through it. Coach Hubie Brown, his fellow miracle worker, is 71 and working strictly year to year.

• Prediction: They need a star, a big man or both, but with its old-school leadership, it's one of the few young teams that knows what it's doing.


DALLAS 6
MAVERICKS
Projected Starters
G Jason Terry
G Marquis Daniels
F Michael Finley
F Dirk Nowitzki
C Erick Dampier
• 2003-04 record: 52-30, (5th in West).

• Offense: 105.2 (1). Defense: 100.8 (28).

• Coming: Jason Terry, Erick Dampier, Jerry Stackhouse, Dan Dickau, Calvin Booth, No. 1 picks Devin Harris and Pavel Podkolzine.

• Going: Steve Nash, Antoine Walker, Antawn Jamison, Christian Laettner, Eduardo Najera, Travis Best, Tony Delk, Danny Fortson, Scott Williams.

• Outlook: Hyperactive Mark Cuban managed to keep from firing Don Nelson and settled for turning over the roster instead, starting with his surprising decision to let Nash go. With Dampier, they finally have size. The Warriors were afraid his improvement was strictly tied to free agency, but Cuban just bet $67 million that he has reached a new level.

• Prediction: Let's see what The Benefactor does when they sink this far.


DENVER 7
NUGGETS
Projected Starters
G Andre Miller
G Voshon Lenard
F Carmelo Anthony
F Kenyon Martin
C Marcus Camby
• 2003-04 record: 43-39 (8).

• Offense: 97.2 (5). Defense: 96.1 (19).

• Coming: Kenyon Martin, Greg Buckner.

• Going: Michael Doleac, Chris Andersen, Jon Barry, Ryan Bowen.

• Outlook: Happily for Carmelo Anthony, whose summer included a fight in a club, an Olympics chained to the bench and a marijuana charge, it ended before he landed in jail and they threw away the key. Anthony's game, at least, was grown-up enough to help them go from 17 wins to 43. Then the Nets let them have Martin, although he's on the emotional side, himself. Coach Jeff Bzdelik almost was fired last season when players (led by Anthony?) turned on him. Bzdelik was kept after they made the playoffs but was left dangling for weeks, suggesting he's still in trouble.

• Prediction: They may be volatile, but they're good too.


LAKERS 8
LAKERS
Projected Starters
G Chucky Atkins
G Kobe Bryant
F Lamar Odom
F Brian Grant
C Vlade Divac
• 2003-04 record: 56-26 (3rd in West).

• Offense: 98.2 (3). Defense: 94.3 (16).

• Coming: Coach Rudy Tomjanovich, Lamar Odom, Caron Butler, Brian Grant, Chucky Atkins, Chris Mihm, Jumaine Jones, No. 1 pick Sasha Vujacic.

• Going: Phil Jackson, Shaquille O'Neal, Gary Payton, Derek Fisher, Rick Fox.

• Outlook: For those of us who kept predicting the end of their world, it's here. Bryant drove them to a 6-2 exhibition mark, playing heavy minutes, but there are things to work out with Odom still on the perimeter, rather than the post where he turned it around with the Heat running the offense through him. Bryant has made more sacrifices than he's given credit for but has never learned how, or been asked, to play off the ball.

• Prediction: On the bright side, their free-throw shooting will be better.


UTAH 9
JAZZ
Projected Starters
G Carlos Arroyo
G Gordan Giricek
F Andrei Kirilenko
F Carlos Boozer
C Mehmet Okur
• 2003-04 record: 42-40 (9th in West).

• Offense: 88.7 (27). Defense: 89.9 (9).

• Coming: Carlos Boozer, Mehmet Okur.

• Going: Greg Ostertag, Tom Gugliotta, Mo Williams, Mikki Moore.

• Outlook: Whoever these guys are, they're not going away. To everyone's surprise, instead of falling to 10 to 20 wins after Karl Malone and John Stockton left, they were still competitive and stayed that way after losing leading scorer Matt Harpring. Now Harpring is back and they've upgraded their front line with Ostertag leaving and Boozer arriving. Jerry Sloan, long one of the game's most respected coaches, elected to stay around after Malone and Stockton left. His teams still do what he says, so don't expect them to stop now.

• Prediction: If anyone falters, look out for them.


PORTLAND 10
TRAILBLAZERS
Projected Starters
G Damon Stoudamire
G Derek Anderson
F Shareef Abdur-Rahim
F Zach Randolph
C Theo Ratliff
• 2003-04 record: 41-41 (10th in West).

• Offense: 90.7 (21). Defense: 92.0 (12).

• Coming: Nick Van Exel, Joel Pryzbilla, No. 1 picks Sebastian Telfair and Sergei Monia.

• Going: Dale Davis.

• Outlook: For the first time since the first lottery in 1985, the Trail Blazers were in it, meaning they were the last team to miss the playoffs in that span. However, they've been fringe players lately and last season began weeding out their troublemakers. Of course, as Qyntel Woods showed this fall, allegedly finding yet another way to break the law (engaging in dogfights), the beat goes on. This is a work in progress with parts that don't fit, such as power forwards Zach Randolph, who's staying, and Shareef Abdur-Rahim, who is not.

• Prediction: Van Exel is the wild card. If he's as good coming off the bench as he was in Dallas, watch out for them too.


NEW ORLEANS 11
HORNETS
Projected Starters
G Baron Davis
G David Wesley
F George Lynch
F P.J. Brown
C Jamaal Magloire
• 2003-04 record: 41-41 (5th in East, tie).

• Offense: 91.8 (17). Defense: 91.9 (11).

• Coming: Coach Byron Scott, Rodney Rogers, Chris Andersen, No. 1 pick J.R. Smith.

• Going: Coach Tim Floyd, Stacey Augmon, Steve Smith, Robert Traylor, Courtney Alexander.

• Outlook: New Orleans is now an official disaster area with the Hornets moving West and saying goodbye to the playoffs as attendance drops and Baron Davis muses about escaping. Before he signed a long-term deal, he was always saying he wanted to get back home. Now his agent is saying it again, putting Davis at odds with owner George Shinn. Jamal Mashburn is out for the year, which will help chemistry but not the offense. On the bright side, rookie Smith, an athlete who can shoot, tore up the preseason.

• Prediction: Bad career move for Scott.


PHOENIX 12
SUNS
Projected Starters
G Steve Nash
G Quentin Richardson
F Shawn Marion
F Amare Stoudemire
C Jake Voskuhl
• 2003-04 record: 29-53 (13th in West).

• Offense: 94.2 (11). Defense: 97.9 (26).

• Coming: Steve Nash, Quentin Richardson, Steven Hunter.

• Going: Antonio McDyess.

• Outlook: The Suns are in transition, with Jerry and Bryan Colangelo now merely part of a committee that runs the team, along with incoming owner Robert Sarver and his point man, Steve Kerr. Kerr is close to Phil Jackson, so keep that in mind when Sarver takes over in 2007. Nash's three-point shooting spaces the floor, which makes him a rare asset. There's a lot of talent, but it's young and, except for Amare Stoudemire, 6-8 and under. Coach Mike D'Antoni is going small with Stoudemire often at center, but that's hard in the West, where even also-rans are big and deep.

• Prediction: They're one player away from being a factor again, but it's a big player.


GOLDEN STATE 13
WARRIORS
Projected Starters
G Derek Fisher
G Jason Richardson
F Mike Dunleavy
F Troy Murphy
C Adonal Foyle
• 2003-04 record: 37-45 (11th in West, tie).

• Offense: 93.3 (13). Defense: 94.0 (14)

• Coming: GM Chris Mullin, Coach Mike Montgomery, Fisher, Dale Davis, Najera, No. 1 pick Andris Biedrins.

• Going: GM Garry St. Jean, Coach Eric Musselman, Dampier, Van Exel, Cardinal, Dickau, Avery Johnson.

• Outlook: GMs and coaches come and go, but Chris Cohan remains. He's the shallow-pockets owner who took over in 1994. Musselman got them to try again, going 75-89 in his two seasons, compared with 38-126 in the previous two, but his players didn't like his hard-driving style. Now they're breaking in Montgomery.On the bright side, they're very deep with Jason Richardson and Mike Dunleavy Jr. coming on. Montgomery can go 10 deep, and will.

• Prediction: On the realistic side, that's still not enough.


CLIPPERS 14
CLIPPERS
Projected Starters
G Marko Jaric
G Kerry Kittles
F Corey Maggette
F Elton Brand
C Chris Kaman
• 2003-04 record: 28-54 (14th in West).

• Offense: 94.8 (9). Defense: 99.4 (27).

• Coming: Kerry Kittles, Zeljko Rebraca, Mikki Moore, Mamadou N'diaye, No. 1 pick Shaun Livingston.

• Going: Quentin Richardson, Keyon Dooling, Melvin Ely, Eddie House.

• Outlook: If this were another team, you'd like its chances with so many big, young, hard-working players. Of course, this one has never been able to build incrementally before. The Kobe Bryant dream was too good to be true. Mike Dunleavy spent last season without a real point guard and, in a daring move for a Clipper coach, went for a high school player. Livingston just turned 19 and is being brought along slowly, which means they hope he can be in rotation now and starting by season's end.

• Prediction: Still a tad early for a breakthrough but keep an eye on Livingston.


SEATTLE 15
SUPERSONICS
Projected Starters
G Luke Ridnour
G Ray Allen
F Rashard Lewis
F Danny Fortson
C Vitaly Potapenko
• 2003-4 record: 37-45 (11th in West, tie).

• Offense: 97.1 (6). Defense: 97.8 (24).

• Coming: Danny Fortson, No. 1 pick Robert Swift.

• Going: Brent Barry, Calvin Booth.

• Outlook: Starbucks magnate Howard Schultz insists his team is a contender. The Sonics are basically Ray Allen, a three-point ace, and a bunch of 6-10 guys such as Rashard Lewis and Vladimir Radmanovic, who want to stand outside and shoot too. That's a lot of threes. Outspoken Coach Nate McMillan is popular but in trouble. He was already grumping around in the preseason when he wanted to install a tough, George Karl-type defense and most of his veterans were out resting boo-boos. Schultz has to choose between giving Allen $126 million, or letting him go and starting over with $20 million worth of cap space.

• Prediction: Bet on the cap space.




EASTERN CONFERENCE CAPSULES

MIAMI 1
HEAT
Projected Starters
G Eddie Jones
G Dwyane Wade
F Rasual Butler
F Udonis Haslem
C Shaquille O'Neal
• 2003-04 record: 42-40 (4th in East).

• Offense: 90.3 (22). Defense: 89.7 (8)

• Coming: O'Neal, Wesley Person, Damon Jones, Michael Doleac, Keyon Dooling, Christian Laettner, No. 1 pick Dorrell Wright.

• Going: Lamar Odom, Caron Butler, Brian Grant, Samaki Walker.

• Outlook: Shaquille vs. the East. It's not fair. Unlike the West, where everyone stockpiled big guys to throw in his path, only a few East teams (Detroit, Indiana, Philadelphia) are big enough to deal with him. The Heat had to strip down to get him but still has Eddie Jones and the sensational Dwyane Wade. Pat Riley landed some shooters, notably Person and Doleac, who'll be the best backup Shaq ever had. Stan Van Gundy recovered from an 0-7 start after Riley's eve-of-season retirement.

• Prediction: The long term may be a problem, but in the near term, this will work.


DETROIT 2
PISTONS
Projected Starters
G Chauncey Billups
G Richard Hamilton
F Tayshaun Prince
F Rasheed Wallace
C Ben Wallace
• 2003-04 record: 54-28 (2nd in East).

• Offense: 90.1 (24). Defense: 84.3 (1, tie)

• Coming: Antonio McDyess, Derrick Coleman, Carlos Delfino.

• Going: Corliss Williamson, Mehmet Okur.

• Outlook: They were just a bunch of little Eastern overachievers with a new coach a year ago and look at them now. With Rasheed Wallace, they were better at the end of the season than they were at the start, and with McDyess and Delfino, they look better this fall than they did last spring. Delfino, an Argentine sharpshooter, looked good in exhibitions. McDyess, who played 28 games in three seasons and was dropped by the Knicks and Suns, was jumping like his old self, which would make him as great a steal as Wallace was.

• Prediction: If it weren't for the fact that Larry Brown teams have always come down as fast as they've risen, you'd like their chances.


INDIANA 3
PACERS
Projected Starters
G Jamaal Tinsley
G Reggie Miller
F Ron Artest
F Jermaine O'Neal
C Jeff Foster
• 2003-04 record: 61-21 (1st in East)

• Offense: 91.4 (20). Defense: 85.6 (3).

• Coming: Stephen Jackson and No. 1 pick David Harrison.

• Going: Al Harrington, Kenny Anderson.

• Outlook: Big, deep and talented, they've come a long way for a team that was rebuilt after losing in the 2000 Finals, but their young players have to grow up soon. Coach Rick Carlisle is great but grates on people. Jermaine O'Neal is still coming. Reggie Miller is thought to be going. Ron Artest says he's reformed — again — after committing a flagrant foul in the closing minutes of Game 6 of the East finals, sending Richard Hamilton to the line to put the Pistons ahead to stay. Artest is also wearing No. 91 this season to honor Dennis Rodman, one of his heroes.

• Prediction: Their future is now, or had better be.


PHILADELPHIA 4
76ERS
Projected Starters
G Allen Iverson
G Aaron McKie
F Andre Iguodala
F Kenny Thomas
C Marc Jackson
• 2003-04 record: 33-49 (10th in East, tie).

• Offense: 88.0 (28). Defense: 90.5 (10)

• Coming: Coach Jim O'Brien, Corliss Williamson, Brian Skinner, Kevin Ollie, Kedrick Brown, No. 1 pick Andre Iguodala.

• Going: Coaches Randy Ayers and Chris Ford, Eric Snow, Derrick Coleman.

• Outlook: Only in the East would you pick a bickering 33-win team to finish this high. Glenn Robinson could destroy a team's chemistry single-handedly, and putting him together with Allen Iverson didn't work. Still, this is one of the East's biggest teams, and O'Brien is working on the cohesiveness, benching Robinson and Samuel Dalembert in favor of Iguodala and Marc Jackson.

• Prediction: O'Brien is also bringing in Dick Harter, a defensive ace and one of the few assistants who makes a difference by himself. If Iverson buys in, this will happen.


CLEVELAND 5
CAVALIERS
Projected Starters
G Eric Snow
G Jeff McInnis
F LeBron James
F Drew Gooden
C Zydrunas Ilgauskas
• 2003-04 record: 35-47 (9th in East).

• Offense: 92.9 (14). Defense: 95.5 (17).

• Coming: Eric Snow, Drew Gooden, Lucious Harris, Scott Williams, No. 1 pick Luke Jackson.

• Going: Carlos Boozer, Kevin Ollie, Tony Battie.

• Outlook: Coming off a 17-65 season and a 6-19 start, they actually made a run at the playoffs behind LeBron James, who averaged 22 points, 6.1 assists and 5.1 rebounds after the All-Star break. Losing Boozer, who averaged 16 points and 11 rebounds, was devastating, but Gooden, who tanked in Orlando, is still promising. There's a question of how coachable James is. There were already reports of grumbling about Paul Silas by unnamed players, who could only be James.

• Prediction: If the kids can keep it together, they'll move up.


MILWAUKEE 6
BUCKS
Projected Starters
G Mike James
G Michael Redd
F Keith Van Horn
F Joe Smith
C Dan Gadzuric
• 2003-04 record: 41-41 (5th in East, tie).

• Offense: 98.0 (14). Defense: 97.0 (21).

• Coming: Maurice Williams, Zaza Pachulia.

• Going: Brian Skinner, Damon Jones, Brevin Knight.

• Outlook: After dismantling their old George Karl-Sam Cassell-Glenn Robinson-Ray Allen team, they were expected to drop out of sight but, instead, became a surprise under rookie Coach Terry Porter. Porter coaches an up-tempo style, with 10 players in the rotation and only Michael Redd averaging 31 minutes a game. The Bucks are still small, and last season's point guards are gone. T.J. Ford is out because of a back problem, and Jones signed with the Heat. But they were able to trade for Williams, who was promising as a Jazz rookie.

• Prediction: There's nothing like a system that works, especially in the East, where you don't have to win 50 games to finish this high.


ORLANDO 7
MAGIC
Projected Starters
G Steve Francis
G Cuttino Mobley
F Grant Hill
F Dwight Howard
C Kelvin Cato
• 2003-04 record: 21-61 (15th in East).

• Offense: 94.0 (12). Defense: 101.1 (29).

• Coming: Steve Francis, Cuttino Mobley, Kelvin Cato, Tony Battie, Hedo Turkoglu, No. 1 picks Dwight Howard and Jameer Nelson.

• Going: Tracy McGrady, Drew Gooden, Juwan Howard, Ty Lue, Steven Hunter.

• Outlook: Coach Doc Rivers and GM John Gabriel spent four seasons waiting for Grant Hill. Now the coach is Johnny Davis, the GM is John Weisbrod and Hill is trying yet another comeback. Weisbrod is a former NHL player with scant NBA experience, and Davis looked overmatched in both of his seasons as a head coach, so it remains to be seen whether the Magic has upgraded. Howard looks like the real deal, and Francis and Mobley will shoot them into the middle of the pack. How much further they go, as usual, depends on Hill.

• Prediction: Good luck.


NEW YORK 8
KNICKS
Projected Starters
G Stephon Marbury
G Jamal Crawford
F Tim Thomas
F Kurt Thomas
C Nazr Mohammed
• 2003-04 record: 39-43 (7th in East).

• Offense: 92.0 (16). Defense: 93.5 (13.)

• Coming: Jamal Crawford, Jerome Williams.

• Going: Dikembe Mutombo, Othella Harrington.

• Outlook: Isiah Thomas, a Gotham type of guy, who's always firing or trading someone, got them back in the playoffs, since 39 wins were good enough. However, the title they were talking about — we're not making this up — didn't materialize. With Allan Houston out, they lost, 4-0, to the Nets, and he isn't back yet. Now for the dizzy backcourt of all time, dour Stephon Marbury and Crawford. After two crushing exhibition defeats in the West, Marbury was already musing about fans calling for Coach Lenny Wilkens' head, the papers were speculating about Phil Jackson and Thomas was calling Jackson "an attractive candidate."

• Prediction: Next, Vince Carter?


BOSTON 9
CELTICS
Projected Starters
G Gary Payton
G Ricky Davis
F Paul Pierce
F Raef LaFrentz
C Mark Blount
• 2003-04 record: 36-46 (8th in East).

• Offense: 95.3 (8). Defense: 96.7 (20).

• Coming: Coach Doc Rivers, Gary Payton, Tom Gugliotta, No. 1 picks Al Jefferson, Tony Allen and Delonte West.

• Going: Coaches Jim O'Brien, John Carroll; Chucky Atkins, Chris Mihm, Jumaine Jones.

• Outlook: GM Danny Ainge is a refreshing change who isn't willing to settle for making the playoffs, but proceeds according to a cockamamie interpretation of Red Auerbach's philosophy that says they should become a good scoring team and then find a big guy, as they did before getting Bill Russell in 1956. Rivers' foibles-heavy lineup has Payton and Ricky Davis joining Paul Pierce, who's had too much leeway for his own good.

• Prediction: In continuing payback for all that cigar smoke, this will make 18 years since their last title with none on the horizon.


NEW JERSEY 10
NETS
Projected Starters
G Jason Kidd
G Ron Mercer
F Richard Jefferson
F Eric Williams
C Jason Collins
• 2003-04 record: 47-35 (3rd in East).

• Offense: 90.3 (23). Defense: 87.8 (4).

• Coming: Eric Williams, Travis Best, Ron Mercer, Jacque Vaughn, Rodney Buford.

• Going: Kenyon Martin, Kerry Kittles, Lucious Harris, Rodney Rogers.

• Outlook: It's going to be a long lame-duck season in the swamp. New owner Bruce Rat- ner, who bought the Nets to be the centerpiece to sell his still-only-on-paper Brooklyn development, is trimming his losses until 2008 when he hopes to move. The Nets gave away their No. 1 pick and let Martin, Kittles and Harris go. Jason Kidd is coming off knee surgery, won't be ready to start the season and says he'd like to go too. Kidd is 31, with five years and $90 million left on his contract, so the Nets will have to dump him and probably will.

• Prediction: Would you believe that now they're rebuilding around Richard Jefferson?


WASHINGTON 11
WIZARDS
Projected Starters
G Gilbert Arenas
G Larry Hughes
F Antawn Jamison
F Kwame Brown
C Brendan Haywood
• 2003-04 record: 25-57 (13th in East).

• Offense: 91.8 (18). Defense: 97.4 (22).

• Coming: Antawn Jamison, Anthony Peeler, Samaki Walker.

• Going: Jerry Stackhouse, Christian Laett- ner.

• Outlook: In retrospect, whom do you want running your organization, Michael Jordan or Abe Pollin? With Jordan, they were too old. Without him, they're too young. Kwame Brown, the 2001 top overall pick, is approaching restricted free agency and could be elsewhere by this time next year. Gilbert Arenas is good but wrapped too tight. Moving Stackhouse and his $6.5-million salary helps. Jamison has a problem or two (he's a tweener who's been called selfish) but at least he tries.

• Prediction: They'll duel the Bulls to see which talented young team that won't make the playoffs finishes higher.


TORONTO 12
RAPTORS
Projected Starters
G Rafer Alston
G Jalen Rose
F Vince Carter
F Chris Bosh
C Rafael Araujo
• 2003-04 record: 33-49 (10th in East, tie).

• Offense: 85.4 (29). Defense: 88.5 (6).

• Coming: Coach Sam Mitchell, Rafer Alston, No. 1 pick Rafael Araujo.

• Going: Coach Kevin O'Neill.

• Outlook: After leading the Raptors nowhere, Carter, the reluctant superstar, wants out. Management is resisting, but the fans are booing and soon there may be no choice. They were actually respectable for a while (25-25 at the All-Star break) under O'Neill, a defensive ace, but he kept rolling his eyes at the front office, which didn't appreciate it. After they sent away Antonio Davis for yet another perimeter player, Jalen Rose, O'Neill had to play a little front line of Chris Bosh, Donyell Marshall and Carter. Araujo, a 6-10 widebody from Brazil, won't be ready soon.

• Prediction: Vince gets his wish, and they start over.


CHICAGO 13
BULLS
Projected Starters
G Kirk Hinrich
G Ben Gordon
F Andres Nocioni
F Tyson Chandler
C Eddy Curry
• 2003-04 record: 23-59 (14th in East).

• Offense: 89.7 (26). Defense: 96.0 (18).

• Coming: Eric Piatkowski, Andres Nocioni, Adrian Griffin, Othella Harrington, No. 1 picks Ben Gordon and Luol Deng.

• Going: Jamal Crawford, Jerome Williams.

• Outlook: Despite appearances and misadventures, they're actually getting somewhere. Last season they fell from 30 wins to 23 with new Coach Scott Skiles ripping Eddy Curry and Tyson Chandler daily. Skiles now says the media made him sound negative, presumably by publishing his comments. Curry is down to 280, although he's interested only in scoring and makes even the reformed Skiles crazy. The starting lineup — with Kirk Hinrich, Gordon and Nocioni, their prize Argentine free agent — has promise but little experience.

• Prediction: It's crunch time for Skiles too, or should be.


ATLANTA 14
HAWKS
Projected Starters
G Kenny Anderson
G Boris Diaw
F Al Harrington
F Antoine Walker
C Jason Collier
• 2003-04 record: 28-54 (12th in East).

• Offense: 92.8 (15). Defense: 97.5 (23).

• Coming: Coach Mike Woodson, Antoine Walker, Al Harrington, Jon Barry, Kevin Willis, Kenny Anderson, Predrag Drobjnak, Tony Delk, No. 1 picks Josh Childress and Josh Smith.

• Going: Coach Terry Stotts and everyone except Jason Collier, Chris Crawford and Boris Diaw.

• Outlook: Now they're like an expansion team that has to be assembled from scratch. Of course, after averaging 52 losses over the last five seasons, they had nothing to lose. When Walker's $14.6 million comes off their cap after the season, they'll have enough room to offer two maximum deals. The trick will be getting anyone to come.

• Prediction: What's another 50 losses, at this point?


CHARLOTTE 15
BOBCATS
Projected Starters
G Jason Hart
G Gerald Wallace
F Tamar Slay
F Emeka Okafor
C Primoz Brezec
• Record: Inaugural season.

• Outlook: First this city got George Shinn and the Hornets. Then they were deserted. Now this. If anyone ever breaks the 76ers' 9-73 record, this is the team to do it. No. 1 pick Emeka Okafor is still troubled by a bad back. Everyone else was a sub last season, and most were at the end of the bench. The most any of them averaged was former Clipper Eddie House's 6.8 points a game. Coach/GM Bernie Bickerstaff is focused on cap room. Of the 16 players he brought to camp, 12 were on contracts that will run out at season's end. It's an opportunity for Gerald Wallace, the super-athlete who was buried on the bench in Sacramento, former Pacer Primoz Brezec and former Bruin/Cavalier Jason Kapono.

• Prediction: If they get to 20 wins, they should hold a victory parade down Billy Graham Parkway.
2 Nov 2004, 13:29 #295
Wow nice article :D

Denver is ranked pretty low. I'd pick them for a higher playoff spot. Memphis in my opinion is a bit high. They're a good team but there is no surprise in them anymore. They're expected to do well so teams will actually prepare for them. I think this whole west is going to be so crazy this year! :D
2 Nov 2004, 13:31 #296
eltinator wrote:Wow nice article :D

Denver is ranked pretty low. I'd pick them for a higher playoff spot. Memphis in my opinion is a bit high. They're a good team but there is no surprise in them anymore. They're expected to do well so teams will actually prepare for them. I think this whole west is going to be so crazy this year! :D

My mistake: the Warriors are 13th... :sweat:
2 Nov 2004, 13:32 #297
bmwracer wrote:
My mistake: the Warriors are 13th... :sweat:


AHAHAHAHA, damn now that 10 ranking is looking good :hehe: :hehe:
2 Nov 2004, 13:53 #298
10th?

13th???

PIFFLE!

The Warriors have been my penance for being a Niner fan all these years.

The Niners could go along being the jewel of the NFL, as long as the Warriors were there to stink it up. It's called universal balance.

Well, now the Niners have become the Bay Area's Rinky-Dink franchise... ipso pipso... The Warriors get to come out of the wilderness.
2 Nov 2004, 15:18 #299
As I predicted with the Jamison trade, it's going to be the Murph and J-Rich show for a while :D

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=1914283
2 Nov 2004, 15:52 #300
Cool. Now I don't want to hear anything else about anyone's damned contract.

Play or don't. Win or lose.

All this hugga-mugga about who's getting paid what, and who wants a new contract, and who's being paid how much so they should be scoreing this many points, chaffes my sensitive parts.

I'm a fan, not a player, not an agent, not an owner.

It ain't all about the money for me.

It's about wins and losses.

Play freakin' ball!

Run fast, jump high, and put the ball in the hole!

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