Movies! Movies! Movies! (Non-Japanese)

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24 Jul 2010, 06:04 #4561
Back from watching Salt.

It was okay... I think Knight and Day was a little better. :beaten:

Wasn't totally convinced with Angelina's fight scenes: too many quick cuts... And who was good and bad was rather predictable.

I think if you want to see a good action-thriller with a female in the lead, check out The Long Kiss Goodnight with Geena Davis and Samuel L. Jackson... Really good action and great, witty dialog... One of my fave movies. :victory:
25 Jul 2010, 21:53 #4562
Oh, I had a marvelous time watching INCEPTION. Despite all those intercutting levels of reality, the storytelling was surprisingly very lucid. Three thumbs up! :applaud:

Wynter wrote:
O, and for the record:
Spoiler — click to revealI think the top DOES stop and fall over. :mrgreen:


That's what I hoped so at first, but then...

Spoiler — click to revealNow looking back (well, it's only been like, 3 hours since the movie ended, lol), I'm convinced that the last scene where they all wake up, mission accomplished and all... is just a deeper layer of Cobb's dream. (Level 1: they're in the van; Level 2: the hotel; Level 3: the snowy mountaintop fortress; Level 4: Cobb and Mal's imagined world; Level 5: where Cobb wakes up and finds an aged Ken Watanabe; Level 6: the pseudo-reality where they all wake up on the plane and are back stateside -- which would mean that all the other characters, from Cillian Murphy to Joseph Gordon-Levitt to Michael Caine, would just be projections of Cobb's own sub-conscious.)

I think the shot of Ken Watanabe fingering his gun (in Level 5) is very telling even if we never SEE him using it to shoot Leo DiCaprio. I think he DOES shoot Cobb, because the deeper you go into the dreaming (i.e. Level 3 downwards), being "killed" means you don't surface closer to reality, but in fact go further down into your own consciousness. And that spinning, spinning, spinniiiiiingggggwhywon'tyoustopdammit top in the film's final frame, while technically permitting an open ending, is still very suggestive of the theory that Cobb is still trapped in a dream within a dream within a dream within a dream within a dream within a dream. :ohcrap:


Well, that's just my 2 pesos' worth, anyway. (Woah -- that's just... 4 cents! lulz) :mrgreen:
25 Jul 2010, 22:08 #4563
Okay, haven't seen Inception, but I just read EG's spoiler and now I have a massive headache!!! :beaten:
25 Jul 2010, 22:13 #4564
gaijinmark wrote:Okay, haven't seen Inception, but I just read EG's spoiler and now I have a massive headache!!! :beaten:


WHAT WHAAAAT WHYYYYYY WHY'D YOU DO THAT GAIJINMARK :beatyou: :beatyou: :beatyou:

No -- no -- you're only DREAMING!!!! You shall WAKE UP when you start hearing funny Enka music and then you WILL FORGET EVERYTHING YOU JUST READ HERE.
25 Jul 2010, 23:30 #4565
That's okay, I hadn't planned on watching it anyway, that's why I read the spoiler. I have an aversion to movies that are mostly CGBS. No matter how well they do it, I'm always sitting there thinking, "Fake!" Give me real movies with real people.
26 Jul 2010, 02:17 #4566
gaijinmark wrote:That's okay, I hadn't planned on watching it anyway, that's why I read the spoiler. I have an aversion to movies that are mostly CGBS. No matter how well they do it, I'm always sitting there thinking, "Fake!" Give me real movies with real people.

There's always Salt. :beaten:
26 Jul 2010, 03:39 #4567
Ender's Girl wrote:Well, that's just my 2 pesos' worth, anyway. (Woah -- that's just... 4 cents! lulz) :mrgreen:


Yea, I had this similar discussion with my cousin as well!

In a way I'm hoping that they WANT us to think there's something deeper or even more fantastical, so that we delve deeper in search of the truth. But in actuality, the dream DOES end and the top DOES fall, and everything is "normal" again. In that way it would become a masterpiece. The whole idea that the simple is genius.
26 Jul 2010, 06:21 #4568
Wynter wrote:In a way I'm hoping that they WANT us to think there's something deeper or even more fantastical, so that we delve deeper in search of the truth

I think the intent want to propagate conversation not just about whether or not the top falls, but the entire subject.... Just like what The Matrix did over a decade ago (has it been that long? :sweat:)
26 Jul 2010, 06:29 #4569
bmwracer wrote:
I think the intent want to propagate conversation not just about whether or not the top falls, but the entire subject.... Just like what The Matrix did over a decade ago (has it been that long? :sweat:)


That's exactly what I said... :headscratch:

I'm just thinking that in the end, the answer is much simpler than what they want us to believe.
26 Jul 2010, 06:35 #4570
Wynter wrote:That's exactly what I said... :headscratch:

Yup... I was agreeing with you.
26 Jul 2010, 18:29 #4571
gaijinmark wrote:That's okay, I hadn't planned on watching it anyway, that's why I read the spoiler. I have an aversion to movies that are mostly CGBS. No matter how well they do it, I'm always sitting there thinking, "Fake!" Give me real movies with real people.


Ah. The cast performances were very authentic and credible, so on that point alone maybe you'd actually enjoy this flick. And Ken Watanabe's character is pretty major, considering INCEPTION is basically a heist movie (ergo ensemble cast)... although Ken Watanabe made my mom go, "I couldn't understand a WORD he was saying!" (lulz) To which I naturally replied, "Ma. He's the best they have." (And I obviously wasn't just talking about the acting. :beaten:)

Wynter wrote:
I'm just thinking that in the end, the answer is much simpler than what they want us to believe.


Spoiler — click to reveal
Actually, I think that Cobb going deeper and deeper would be a far simpler explanation because it's consistent with the downward trajectory that his character experiences throughout the movie. So for me this would be more plausible than being zapped upwards through all those layers of dreaming and back to the "real" world just by figuratively clicking those ruby slippers.


bmwracer wrote:
I think the intent want to propagate conversation not just about whether or not the top falls, but the entire subject.... Just like what The Matrix did over a decade ago (has it been that long? :sweat:)


Well, it sure seems to be working. :mrgreen:

Oh yeah, THE MATRIX was def. '98 or '99 I think. Groundbreaking filmmaking, too bad the sequels just weren't up to scratch IMO. RELOADED made me go "eeehhh?" and by the time REVOLUTIONS rolled around I didn't care enough to catch it in theaters. Watched it on DVD but can't remember much besides... something about a Col. Sanders lookalike dude, and, um, Elrond in shades, lol. :hehe:
26 Jul 2010, 19:50 #4572
I admit we didn't care at all about the the meaning of Inception, we just had our fangirl reasons to watch it: Cillian Murphy, Joseph Gordon-Levitt, Lukas Haas and Ken Watanabe. :muack:

:sweat: What mattered to my sister and me was how hot Joseph Gordon-Levitt looked
Spoiler — click to revealflying around in that hotel floor wearing his well-cut suit minus the jacket
.
26 Jul 2010, 21:44 #4573
Ender's Girl wrote:Ah. The cast performances were very authentic and credible, so on that point alone maybe you'd actually enjoy this flick. And Ken Watanabe's character is pretty major, considering INCEPTION is basically a heist movie (ergo ensemble cast)... although Ken Watanabe made my mom go, "I couldn't understand a WORD he was saying!" (lulz) To which I naturally replied, "Ma. He's the best they have." (And I obviously wasn't just talking about the acting. :beaten:)

Some other critics made similar remarks about Watanabe's enunciation as well. :sweat:

I was able to understand him just fine, but I have watched The Last Samurai multiple times. :beaten:

bmwracer wrote:
I think the intent want to propagate conversation not just about whether or not the top falls, but the entire subject.... Just like what The Matrix did over a decade ago (has it been that long? :sweat:)


Well, it sure seems to be working. :mrgreen:

I would say so, yes. :mrgreen:

Oh yeah, THE MATRIX was def. '98 or '99 I think. Groundbreaking filmmaking, too bad the sequels just weren't up to scratch IMO. RELOADED made me go "eeehhh?" and by the time REVOLUTIONS rolled around I didn't care enough to catch it in theaters. Watched it on DVD but can't remember much besides... something about a Col. Sanders lookalike dude, and, um, Elrond in shades, lol. :hehe:

LOL, "Col. Sanders" :hehe:

I got turned off after Morpheus' cliched rally speech was followed by the excessive and excruciatingly long slow-mo mosh pit scene... What a joke. :bleh:
27 Jul 2010, 07:26 #4574
bmwracer wrote:
Some other critics made similar remarks about Watanabe's enunciation as well. :sweat:

I was able to understand him just fine, but I have watched The Last Samurai multiple times. :beaten:


I understood him, but at times his pronunciation wasn't the greatest, I can see why some would find him hard to understand.
27 Jul 2010, 07:33 #4575
Jav_sol wrote:I understood him, but at times his pronunciation wasn't the greatest, I can see why some would find him hard to understand.

Yeah. :sweat:

He got second billing behind DiCaprio... Not bad, though the entertainment shows don't even mention him being in the movie. :grumble:
27 Jul 2010, 07:41 #4576
bmwracer wrote:Not bad, though the entertainment shows don't even mention him being in the movie. :grumble:

Really? I don't watch entertainment shows, but I thought he did a fine job whenever he was on screen. At least worth a mention.
27 Jul 2010, 09:17 #4577
Jav_sol wrote:Really? I don't watch entertainment shows, but I thought he did a fine job whenever he was on screen. At least worth a mention.

I stumble onto a discussion about the movie when I'm channel surfing and they seem to mention the rest of the cast, but not Ken. :(
27 Jul 2010, 11:58 #4578
Just finished watching Green Zone... Basically a story about Iraq and the falsehood of WMDs (Weapons of Mass Destruction)... Good movie. :victory:
28 Jul 2010, 00:16 #4579
Ender's Girl wrote:


Tsk tsk. Don't deny the power of the ruby red slippers.

EstherM wrote:I admit we didn't care at all about the the meaning of Inception, we just had our fangirl reasons to watch it: Cillian Murphy, Joseph Gordon-Levitt, Lukas Haas and Ken Watanabe. :muack:

:sweat: What mattered to my sister and me was how hot Joseph Gordon-Levitt looked
Spoiler — click to revealflying around in that hotel floor wearing his well-cut suit minus the jacket
.


LOL! Yes, I would have to agree with you on all accounts. ;)

Btw, is your ava a screencap of Trick? Great show. :applaud:
28 Jul 2010, 12:33 #4580
Saw Inception earlier and was fantastic, easily one of the best films of the year so far. No problems understanding Watanabe at all through the movie, I kept on picturing him as a Bond villain. Great to see how far Ellen Page has come since her Treena Lahey days on Trailer Park Boys :beaten:

The ending was awesome, screw the haters! :P

Spoiler — click to reveal I still say Cobb is in dreamland. The REAL Inception was being planted in his head, not that of Fisher's, so that he could forgive himself after Mal's suicide. Hell, the firm going after Cobb could be projections as well.

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