Started by moonchyld · 29 Mar 2005 · 36 replies
supermidget wrote:Hmm I suggest you'd use a dictionary and just find what you want to know. It's hard to guess what words you like to learn...
So called "-i" adjectives or "verbal adjectives"
to be easy - yasashii
Yasashi also means "kind"
to be hard - muzukashii or mutsukashii
Wow, I've never heard anyone say mutsukashii. ^^; Thanks
to be warm - atatakai (attakai in speech, weather / or to the touch)
It's also all right to say 'atatakai' in speech. Attakai is a shortcut, I suppose, sometimes even written for cuteness factor.
to be cool - samui (weather only)
'Samui' can also mean 'corny' or 'cheesy' in reference to jokes.
to be cold - *hmm i can't recall, someone help?* (to the touch)
Tsumetai —₽‚¢
to be fast - hayai
to be quick - hayai (same pronounciation)
'Hayai' also means 'to be early.' ‘‚¢
'Hayai' for speed/quick/fast is ‘¬‚¢
to be boring - tsumaranai (tsumannai in speech)
I think 'tsumannai' is particular to the person, 'tsumaranai' is absolutely OK to say.
So called " + na" adjectives or "adjectival nouns"
other - hoka (like "other people")
particular - betsu
Just a note that these are followed by "no" instead of "na."
Adverbs:
tomorrow - ashita
today - kyou
yesterday - kinou
My grammar knowledge in English is so low. :sweat: Thanks for the heads up on their double parts of speech!
not very/really - amari (amari wakarimasen = "I dont really understand it")
Another variant of 'amari' is 'anmari.' Or the even more hideously shortened and youth-loved 'anma'
I think I know adverbs the worst as well, anyway I hope it helps...
to be cold - *hmm i can't recall, someone help?* (to the touch)
yume wrote:
I included my comments in the quote box. :woot:
arglborps wrote:
tsumetai - to be cold (to the touch) —₽‚¢
By the way "hoka" is not a -na adjective. You'd never say hoka-na hito. It's treaded as a noun.
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supermidget wrote:Hmm I suggest you'd use a dictionary and just find what you want to know. It's hard to guess what words you like to learn...
So called "-i" adjectives or "verbal adjectives"
to taste good - oishii
to be easy - yasashii
to be hard - muzukashii or mutsukashii
to be cheap (or 'easy' in some context) - yasui
to be expensive - takai
to be warm - atatakai (attakai in speech, weather / or to the touch)
to be hot - atsui (to the touch)
to be cool - samui (weather only)
to be cold - *hmm i can't recall, someone help?* (to the touch)
to be fast - hayai
to be quick - hayai (same pronounciation)
to be interesting - omoshiroi
to be boring - tsumaranai (tsumannai in speech)
to be fun - tanoshii
to be red - akai
to be white - shiroi
to be black - kuroi
to be blue (or green, kind of weird color) - aoi
to be (too) late - osoi
to be busy - isogashii
So called " + na" adjectives or "adjectival nouns"
convenient - benri
inconvenient - fuben
pretty - kirei
hated - kirai
quiet - shizuka
strange/weird - hen
cute - kawaii
pityfull - kawaisou
skillfull/well - jouzu
unskillfull/bad - heta
other - hoka (like "other people")
particular - betsu
This is most I can think of now and I dont want to spend too long thinking of words... for adverbs, most you can just put after the subject or in the beginning of the sentence... Some ' + na" adjectives can also be adverbs with or without particles.
Adverbs:
tomorrow - ashita
today - kyou
yesterday - kinou
sometimes - tokidoki
usually - taitei
particularly - betsu ni (betsu ni ikitakunai n desu = "I don't want to go in particular... ~ I dont care about going)
not very/really - amari (amari wakarimasen = "I dont really understand it")
zenbu - everything (zenbu wakarimasu = "i understand it all")
I think I know adverbs the worst as well, anyway I hope it helps...
Asian Superman wrote:
* Actually Samui= cold and tsumetai=cool.
* And you should omit the "to be".
* and you should write the -na adjectives with -na behind them
* So the list actually has to be like this:
* and the list supermidget posted schould actually be like this:
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Asian Superman wrote:
Actually Samui= cold and tsumetai=cool. kawaii is an -i adjective btw... And you should omit the "to be". and you should write the -na adjectives with -na behind them or it'll become confusinf for people who don't know a thing about this.
So the list actually has to be like this:
Asian Superman wrote:
cheap (or 'easy' in some context) - yasui
Asian Superman wrote:
cool - tsumetai(weather only)
Asian Superman wrote:
warm - atatakai (attakai in speech, weather / or to the touch)
boring - tsumaranai (tsumannai in speech)
Asian Superman wrote:
few/a little : sukoshii
Asian Superman wrote:
many/much : ippai
kokuou wrote:Hehehe...
Hey supermidget!
I think we both took a piece out of him at the same time :hehe:
Don't worry, I pointed out everything wrong with his post, so maybe he'll learn.
And don't worry, your post was MORE correct than his, although you already know that :beaten:
I was actually considering not writing anything, but it bugged me that he went off on your post (which is months old and no one has said anything) without knowing what he was talking about :grumble:
supermidget wrote:
:bleh:
Man man there's much for you to learn. First of all, wether you are right or wrong, you shouldn't make it sound like you are the godfather of all knowledge, and pretending that what you say is real. Please be somewhat more careful claiming all sorts of things. Then secondly. If you feel so hungry for correcting somebody else, fine, but don't be like "You are wrong!!!!! I am RIGHT!!". Saying things like "The list has to be like this" is really a good example of narrowmindedness. I don't know about your education, but if you're educated even in the least amount, you should know that there's no single correct way of doing everything. There are always multiple approaches. There's no court making laws for how to write a freaking list, so "has to be" is B.S.
In the case of 'na' adjectives, "na" is not actually part of the word, but you need it to make it an adjective. So the explanation could be either "to use them, put `na` behind" or just write "na" behind everything. Though it doesn't make any difference, you keep pointing fingers.
Then. The meaning of '-i' adjective is actually "to be blabla". Please check your grammar book, if you ever use those anyway. A simple exclamation like "itai!" doesn't mean "painful" but "it is painful!". "tanoshii!" means "it is enjoyable!". After that you can change it into regular english. Sometimes you would still use "to be" and sometimes it changes completely. Anyway, to produce good translations, you have to know the base translation.
"ii hito" means "a person that is good", which usually translates into "a good person". It's pityful to see ignorant people complaining about others's explanations when they don't even check there book to be sure about it. Because "tumetai" does mean "cold" (for drinks). Did you see any vending machines selling "samui biiru" besides the "tumetai" ones??? Indeed you didn't.
Back to your social problems; there is also a third point. Don't make your first post on a Forum pissing other people off. You're a newbie, so act like one. Be polite, modest and especially don't have a big mouth like yours. If you ever want to be good at Japanese, the best thing to do is not thinking you know all.
kokuou wrote:
Nope. "Ippai" isn't an adjective either. Same as above, it's an adverb, although it's not the exact opposite of "sukoshi," so be careful when using it.
If you are going to give advice, please don't criticize other people's way of writing things if you don't know 100% fully yourself. It is confusing for other people and it makes the original poster feel bad.
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arglborps wrote:I'm not a native speaker of English, but with drinks wouldn't it be neither "cold" nor "cool" but CHILLED drinks?
Asian Superman wrote:
well... you also can say "cool drinks" right?
Asian Superman wrote:
I wasn't COMPLAINING about you explanations AT ALL. I think you're kinda overreacting. And your explanation of the adverb WAS wrong which I corrected and explained. [b]I have no idea why my post is so offending.[\b]
Asian Superman wrote:
I was just saying that your method of explaining/writing things up will be hard for people who don't know anything about adjectives. Most of the things I typed yesterday are things I got from my book. And in my book they also say you could better think of -na adjectives in the same way as -i adjectives(wich helped me alot)
arglborps wrote:Well if you take IPPAI by the letter it means first and foremost "one cup" or "one cup full".
ˆê”t
It can also mean just "full"i’“ŽÔê‚Í‚à‚¤ˆê”t‚¾, the parking lot is already full) and then it can mean more colloquially "much, many". ‰Ô‚ªˆê”t‚ ‚Á‚½‚æB"there were many flowers". This is colloquial use, however.
In proper written Japanese you wouldn't use ippai for "much, many" you'd rather say takusan (‘òŽRjor if you'd talk about about people you could also say oozei ‘å¨ (many people).
kokuou wrote:First, I apologize for saying that some of the mistakes were yours when they were actually those of supermidget, but there are still some things I need to say to you.
That's great that it helped you a lot to think of things like that, but that doesn't mean that that is only right method. There are different ways of doing everything. If that was your intention, then you should have worded your response something like, "that's one way of doing it, but you can also think of if this way..." or "you can also think of '-na' adjectives this way, if it helps..."
Using words like "should" and "has to be," like I said above, is basically saying, "you are wrong."
And how do you know that supermidget's way of explaining will be hard for people who don't know anything about adjectives? Maybe it's confusing for you, but you are not everyone, so you can't speak for them. It's actually MORE helpful to have different methods, so that people who are beginners can compare them. Also, if people are using only this website for learning Japanese, then I would recommend them to go to the library and borrow books, videos, etc. It is never a good idea to get all your information from only one source.
What I want to say is, when posting, it's okay to give your thoughts and opinions, but present them in a less controversial manner, without saying that things "should" or "should not" be a certain way.
You said yourself that you just learned these things when you were an exchange student, so don't make your posts sound like you are 100% right, if in fact you're not actually sure.
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supermidget wrote:
I think that if you use "ippai" in the meaning of "full (of)", it is better not to write it with Kanji. In the dictionary it says both "full" and "1 cup" for ˆê”t but some Japanese people told me that if you write ˆê”t, they will "always" interpret it as "1 cup". So when you mean "full" you would write "‚¢‚Á‚Ï‚¢".
It was funny cause when I was in Japan, I was in a summer camp, and we were selling drinks at a festival. While making ads, I suggested to write "Please drink lots!" like "ˆê”tˆù‚ñ‚Å‚ËI" but then a girl said, no if you write it like that they will only drink 1 cup. -_- :rofl:
Asian Superman wrote:
Oh alright, I understand. But as I already said: my English isn't really good... And the thing about the exange student: I learned "ippai" from an exchange student(so I wasn't one myself). Thanks for your comment and I apologize the people who were offended by my post... Supermidget: het was niet m'n bedoeling om aanvallend over te komen... :sweat:
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