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PostPosted: Tue Nov 25, 2003 10:38 pm    Post subject: Re: Has anyone seen "The Last Samurai" starring To Reply with quote Back to top

bmwracer wrote:
It's not out yet... December 5.
I'm sure someone has a bootleg copy somewhere...
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 25, 2003 11:03 pm    Post subject: Re: Has anyone seen "The Last Samurai" starring To Reply with quote Back to top

niko2x wrote:
I'm sure someone has a bootleg copy somewhere...

Probably. Wink


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 29, 2003 9:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

I'm definitely gonna go see it. hehe
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 29, 2003 9:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Yeah, I was thinking about ditching work to go see it. hehe
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 29, 2003 10:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

bmwracer wrote:
Yeah, I was thinking about ditching work to go see it. hehe


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 29, 2003 12:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Here's an article from the L.A. Times:

Actor Breathes New Life Into a Warrior's Ways
After a 12-year slump and countless scandals, some in Japan welcome Tom Cruise and his 'Samurai' film's message of accountability.

By Colin Joyce
Special to The Times


November 28, 2003

TOKYO — Benevolence isn't the first word that springs to mind when talking of Bushido, the "way of the warrior" philosophy that once inspired the samurai. But as Japan frets over its stagnant economy and a perceived decline in morals, a small but devoted number of people are hailing the forgotten core values of Bushido as the way forward — not with nifty swordplay and medieval savagery, but with rectitude, courage, benevolence, politeness, sincerity, honor and loyalty.

Japan's 12-year slump has been characterized by a loss of faith in its once trusted institutions. Corporations are found to have cheated the public. The bureaucracy is perceived as hopelessly self-serving. The police cover up scandals. Television stations fake documentaries or manipulate ratings.

Little wonder that some look with nostalgia to a philosophy that prizes accountability and integrity.

Most Japanese have dismissed Bushido enthusiasts as dusty academics and martial arts geeks. But Bushido's unlikely new spokesman is a figure with a bit more sex appeal: Tom Cruise, who stars in the film "The Last Samurai," which will be released in December.

"Bushido is the reason I really wanted to make this film," Cruise said in August at a news conference in Tokyo. "Those Bushido values are worth aspiring to in life, and they are things I aspire to. Bushido is a powerful, beautiful, ancient culture." Cruise added that he had been so impressed that he was faxing information on Bushido to friends.

Japan's Bushido lovers undoubtedly hope his message reaches their countrymen as well as Cruise's Hollywood friends. Many young Japanese see history as a bore, and the samurai are a largely forgotten relic.

Hiroyuki Sanada, the Japanese actor who stars alongside Cruise in "Samurai," concurs: "I ask myself, do young Japanese even know about Bushido?"

Sanada and the largely Japanese cast of "Samurai" have praised Cruise's dedication in learning swordsmanship, embracing Bushido and even learning to speak some lines in passable Japanese. The story tells of an American Civil War veteran who is recruited to modernize the Japanese army in the mid-19th century but instead is seduced by the values of the samurai class his reforms will render redundant.

Nowadays, Bushido has lost its central place in Japanese life, but bookstores report that works on the subject are selling well to young people, including "Bushido: The Soul of Japan," a century-old book by Inazo Nitobe that compares Bushido to European chivalry.

"Nitobe's is a book that anyone can read," said Masahiro Sato, a Nitobe expert and emeritus professor at Osaka University. "It's not an academic work, because Nitobe wrote it while in the U.S. without access to any serious work on the samurai or anything in Japanese. I hear Cruise read it, and it's no surprise that it appealed to him."

Professor Kazuhiko Kasaya of the International Research Center for Japanese Studies is among those who argue that a dose of Bushido could help treat what ails modern Japan. He wrote a series of columns for Japan's conservative Sankei Shimbun newspaper as the country experienced its latest rash of corporate and bureaucratic scandals.

"The loyalty of the samurai was not about blind obedience but about taking responsibility," Kasaya said. "It was the samurai's duty to say if he thought the lord made a wrong decision. The group full of 'yes' men may seem strong when all is going well, but it lacks a mechanism to correct bad decisions, and when it goes to pot, all the 'yes' men say it wasn't their fault.

"I personally think whistle-blowers are right to expose wrongdoing," he said. "But it should be as a last resort. True loyalty would be to oppose it at the time they observed it."

In a country that is renowned for its conservatism, it may be easier to couch the need for change in the language of a Japanese tradition than in more revolutionary terms. That way, going against the grain at the office is not Western individualism but the samurai's "loyal dissent."

In claiming Bushido as a guide for modern life, enthusiasts acknowledge that they pick and choose what bits to apply. The samurai, after all, lorded over the peasant class, brutally suppressing rebellions and warring with rival clans.

"I don't say that we should admire everything in Bushido," said Takashi Kamura, a Tokyo lawyer with a love of Bushido. "I cannot condone such practices as committing suicide after the death of one's master to show loyalty. But if you look at Bushido in its best period, it was a pure code of enlightenment. The samurai pursued arts and reflected on life."

One problem for Bushido is that those who claim its mantle most loudly have dirtied its name. The militarists who led Japan toward disastrous defeat in World War II called on the Bushido spirit. But many historians argue that the bald expansionism and wartime atrocities went against the Bushido principle of benevolence. In fact, Sato argues that the demise of the samurai class, in the period that Cruise's film portrays, paved the way for a military leadership lacking a code of honor to match its formidable strength.

Japan's yakuza gangsters also claim to be the modern-day samurai, with their hierarchical order, sentimental claims to being the guards of Japanese traditions and ritual atonement for failings (though they cut off a finger rather than cut open their stomachs). But Bushido enthusiasts say the brutal yakuza fail to adhere to any of the core values. Samurai principles didn't allow loan sharking, extortion and pimping.

"What the yakuza do is simply picking on the weak," Sato said. "It is against Bushido."

Cruise and "The Last Samurai" won't rescue Japan from its doldrums. But he may help restore Bushido's reputation.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 29, 2003 1:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

I heard it was pretty good.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 29, 2003 4:51 pm    Post subject: yO !! Reply with quote Back to top

i wanna watch it .. coz i like koyuki .. i read that she was handpicked by tom cruise
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 29, 2003 4:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

I'd bet Tom Cruise probably made her do some private auditions for the role. Naughty Mr Green
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 01, 2003 12:57 pm    Post subject: the last samurai Reply with quote Back to top

well this must be old news... Mr Green but i just realized that Koyuki (antique) will be starring alongside tom cruise in the last samurai.. (I saw the trailers yesterday) and am pretty sure not gonna miss this one.. koyuki just looks beautiful, troubled and very traditional like...in those trailers.. pretty interesting to see tom cruise + koyuki.. Nut
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 01, 2003 2:09 pm    Post subject: Re: the last samurai Reply with quote Back to top

nurgee wrote:
well this must be old news...

Yep. There was another thread for this somewhere as well...

Genma must be goin' nuts deleting this duplicate threads... Sad
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 01, 2003 3:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Yes.. there's an old thread about this one...click below:

http://jdorama.com/viewtopic_1458.htm
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 02, 2003 4:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

go to this thread http://jdorama.com/viewtopic_1458.htm

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 13, 2003 6:17 am    Post subject: Lost in Translation Reply with quote Back to top

I noticed the movie Lost in Translation (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0335266/) is available on Suprnova (http://www.suprnova.org/) at the moment for those interested. Suprnova seems to be short of hosts so you might have to try a few times before you find one.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 13, 2003 6:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Hehe! Something related to Japan, I'm always interested Mr Green
Yeah! Looked a very interesting movie according to the trailer. I'm leechin it, not able to wait for the cinema release here, late February Beaten
Hope it's a good movie Smile
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 13, 2003 12:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Pemu wrote:
Hehe! Something related to Japan, I'm always interested Mr Green
Yeah! Looked a very interesting movie according to the trailer. I'm leechin it, not able to wait for the cinema release here, late February Beaten
Hope it's a good movie Smile

The experience was pretty good. I think it's doubly good for people who have already been there or lived there. The plotline itself wasn't all that great, I don't think.

Maybe it would've been better as a "movie" if for example I had no idea what they were saying, etc. It would strike a stronger note of empathy for the characters. Since I had already lived there for a bit, the alien-ness wasn't as strong to me, and colored my review of the movie itself.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 14, 2003 4:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

The quality is pretty decent. I thought it was a dvd screener for the first time, "screener" Rolling eyes. "Telesync" usually refers to the cam rip, right?
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 14, 2003 5:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Pemu wrote:
"Telesync" usually refers to the cam rip, right?


http://www.dvdrhelp.com/glossary#Telesync

I've found Telesync unwatchable, some screener versions are v. good quality.

I thought file was interesting, had a few nice moments, but not great. Worth seeing for those interested in Japan and things Japanese. Anyone who's been to Japan will smile in recognition at a few points.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 15, 2003 4:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Lip my stockin! hehe
It was an enjoyable movie Smile I liked it, although I don't watch US movies much.
Bill Murray did great and so did Scarlett Johansson. The first serious role from him, I think.
Had a feeling most of the movie scene took in the hotel, the city was left outside, so was the ending, left empty feeling.
The karaoke scene was absolutely hilarious Mr Green What song is it, the first song which Bill sang?

Make it Suntory time Wink
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 15, 2003 7:18 am    Post subject: Rip my stokkin Reply with quote Back to top

Pemu wrote:

Bill Murray did great and so did Scarlett Johansson. The first serious role from him, I think.


Check out Bill Murray in Rushmore - he's pretty good in that too.
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