Go: Hime-tachi no Sengoku - 2011 NHK Taiga

Ahhh... AOI~Tokugawa Sandai, it would've been the most perfect taiga drama in my book, if not because of the 'way too old' cast :beaten: But then again, they are perfect casting, imo, esp. Nishida Toshiyuki as Tokugawa Hidetada. Despite the lack of eye-candy cast, AOI is my #1 taiga of all-time :metaldevil:

LOL, 7th-key, all your posts, the chips fancy bag and Etsushi's height, I was thinking the same thing too! Coincidentally I was eating potato chips snack when I was watching and I almost choked to see Hatsu doing the same thing :mrgreen: And yeap, Etsushi's height really helps my "8 years old Juri" imagination^^

I'd really like to know more about Sen no Rikyu. Is it true he's Korean (half Korean)? Has he appeared before in other adaptations? Haven't seen him much, I think. Quite a mysterious historical figure, for me.

My connection dropped out on me last night...sorry about that.

http://www.d-addicts.com/forum/viewtopic_92078_0.htm

Softsubs are up for ep03...hardsubs incoming soon.

And yanie_chan, I was not aware of a version that says Rikyu was Korean. I'd like to read about it too if you can point me the direction :)

Liubeibei wrote:My connection dropped out on me last night...sorry about that.

http://www.d-addicts.com/forum/viewtopic_92078_0.htm

Softsubs are up for ep03...hardsubs incoming soon.

And yanie_chan, I was not aware of a version that says Rikyu was Korean. I'd like to read about it too if you can point me the direction :)

Thank you for the subs!! Matteta! :woot:

Not a version, but I know another netizen who is a big fan of Toyotomi Hideyoshi and collect all kinds of Japanese historical books he can find, and told me about it, that he read in one of his books before about Rikyu having a Korean blood.

If you check wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sen_no_Rikyu

His mother's name is not a common Japanese name, so I'm suspecting he has a Korean mother.

Also, this is the first time I found out Rikyu was Nobunaga's tea master first, before he's "employed" by Hideyoshi, thanks to GOU^^ That's true, right? Somehow, I always thought Rikyu is Hideyoshi's tea master since the beginning. GOU the original novel, also didn't have the scene where Rikyu was still "employed" by Nobunaga. Gou and Rikyu's first met in the novel, was after Hideyoshi took the ruling power. In fact, the whole Episode 3 wasn't written in the novel at all^^ (Ep1 as well, actually)

yanie_chan wrote:
Thank you for the subs!! Matteta! :woot:

Not a version, but I know another netizen who is a big fan of Toyotomi Hideyoshi and collect all kinds of Japanese historical books he can find, and told me about it, that he read in one of his books before about Rikyu having a Korean blood.

If you check wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sen_no_Rikyu

His mother's name is not a common Japanese name, so I'm suspecting he has a Korean mother.

Also, this is the first time I found out Rikyu was Nobunaga's tea master first, before he's "employed" by Hideyoshi, thanks to GOU^^ That's true, right? Somehow, I always thought Rikyu is Hideyoshi's tea master since the beginning. GOU the original novel, also didn't have the scene where Rikyu was still "employed" by Nobunaga. Gou and Rikyu's first met in the novel, was after Hideyoshi took the ruling power. In fact, the whole Episode 3 wasn't written in the novel at all^^ (Ep1 as well, actually)

Ahh I see. If I remember correctly, in 2001's (?) Taiga: Toshiie & Matsu, when Nobunaga took Sakai under his direct rule in 1569, he befriended and then hired Sen no Soeki as his head tea master.

I checked around for the name of Rikyu's mother, ŒŽ›¨–­àÝ. According to this page http://www.toyotomihideyosi.com/a047.shtml, that is a –@–¼ (Homyo), which is "a Buddhist name after one retires into religion or a posthumous name." So the name still doesn't say much as far as her nationality goes. I'll try to find more on it.

Liubeibei wrote:Ahh I see. If I remember correctly, in 2001's (?) Taiga: Toshiie & Matsu, when Nobunaga took Sakai under his direct rule in 1569, he befriended and then hired Sen no Soeki as his head tea master.

So he was in Toshiie & Matsu! I really need to rewatch that one XD

Liubeibei wrote:I checked around for the name of Rikyu's mother, ŒŽ›¨–­àÝ. According to this page http://www.toyotomihideyosi.com/a047.shtml, that is a –@–¼ (Homyo), which is "a Buddhist name after one retires into religion or a posthumous name." So the name still doesn't say much as far as her nationality goes. I'll try to find more on it.

Sou kaa...
I just checked again. And the historical book is Korean Impact on Japanese Culture: Japan's Hidden History by Dr. Jon Etta Hastings Carter Covell and Alan Covell. According to the Covells, the name Sen, as in Sen no Rikyu, is actually a Korean name. So, it might be just a speculation of the writers.

I like how Rikyu's role in GOU is like Gou's psychiatrist sometimes (based on the novel) :mrgreen:

Liubeibei wrote:My connection dropped out on me last night...sorry about that.

http://www.d-addicts.com/forum/viewtopic_92078_0.htm

Softsubs are up for ep03...hardsubs incoming soon.

And yanie_chan, I was not aware of a version that says Rikyu was Korean. I'd like to read about it too if you can point me the direction :)

Yatta! :woot:

Finished Episode 3... Another good episode and pretty much a perfect performance from you-know-who. :mrgreen:

LOL, I'd like to see Go trying on a Western style dress, too. :mrgreen: :victory:

Quick drop-in for an update regarding Japanese scripts from February onward:

I just got approved to join the BBS I mentioned earlier where a guy posts the Japanese scripts of Gou.

So happy~

Liubeibei wrote:Quick drop-in for an update regarding Japanese scripts from February onward:

I just got approved to join the BBS I mentioned earlier where a guy posts the Japanese scripts of Gou.

So happy~

Sugoi... :victory: :applaud:

Things are looking up...! :woot:

Liubeibei wrote:Quick drop-in for an update regarding Japanese scripts from February onward:

I just got approved to join the BBS I mentioned earlier where a guy posts the Japanese scripts of Gou.

So happy~

Sugoi! :woot:

I just watched ep03 with the subs, thanx so much!
The pointing out of the Noh play was cool. :victory:

Episode 4 should be quite interesting... Nobunaga's brutality will catch up with him.

bmwracer wrote:Episode 4 should be quite interesting... Nobunaga's brutality will catch up with him.

yea, I wonder if how he kept saying the he is a god himself, is historically true. Seem like many adaptations did it that way.

yanie_chan wrote:yea, I wonder if how he kept saying the he is a god himself, is historically true. Seem like many adaptations did it that way.

Time to check Wiki. :victory:

http://www.gamecity.ne.jp/nobunyaga/char.html

This...I dunno how to explain it...except it's a bunch of Sengoku figures...as kitties, including Gou XD. Apparently it's a Yahoo Mobile game.

I'm sure you all can recognize which one "Nobunyaga" is, lol

From top to bottom:

Nobunyaga
Garasham (Garasha) ~ Ogonyan (Gou, lol)
Date Mashamune (Masamune) ~ Uesugi Nyanshin (Kenshin) ~ Mikeda (Takeda) Shingen
Ohatsunyan (Hatsu) ~ Chacha (guess her original name is kitty-ish enough) ~ Myaamoto (Miyamoto) Musashi
Nyaoe (Naoe) Kanetsugu ~ Sharutobi (Sarutobi) Sasuke
Konyushi (Konishi) Yukinaga ~ Sanyada (Sanada) Masayuki ~ Nyaraki (Araki) Murashige[/url]

Liubeibei wrote:http://www.gamecity.ne.jp/nobunyaga/char.html

This...I dunno how to explain it...except it's a bunch of Sengoku figures...as kitties, including Gou XD. Apparently it's a Yahoo Mobile game.

I'm sure you all can recognize which one "Nobunyaga" is, lol

From top to bottom:

Nobunyaga
Garasham (Garasha) ~ Ogonyan (Gou, lol)
Date Mashamune (Masamune) ~ Uesugi Nyanshin (Kenshin) ~ Mikeda (Takeda) Shingen
Ohatsunyan (Hatsu) ~ Chacha (guess her original name is kitty-ish enough) ~ Myaamoto (Miyamoto) Musashi
Nyaoe (Naoe) Kanetsugu ~ Sharutobi (Sarutobi) Sasuke
Konyushi (Konishi) Yukinaga ~ Sanyada (Sanada) Masayuki ~ Nyaraki (Araki) Murashige[/url]

Kawayuiiii~~! Haha, thanks! Garasham is Hosokawa Gracia (Akechi Mitsuhide's daughter) right? Is Ogonyan the leading lady in that game? This is a game unrelated to GOU NHK taiga drama, right? I'm glad if she is and if this game is unrelated to NHK.

Seem like all these times, Chacha is the most popular sister in any adaptation, movie, games... but after I learned more historical facts about the Azai sisters and watched many adaptations (even with Gou's small parts), I think Gou is so much cooler than Chacha, and she has totally become my favorite Azai princess! :victory:

In fact, I don't like Chacha at all, she always portrayed evil in many adaptations, or weak in fictious movies, and given all the historical facts/rumors, I can see why Chacha is always portrayed as a despicable woman. (GOU's Chacha though, might be the only adaptation that would not portray her as a despicable woman)

So, I'm really hoping after the NHK drama, Gou would be a leading character in more adaptations, she deserves the spotlight!^o^

Love all those neko versions of the Sengoku era warriors. Date Masamune kakkoii ne! His eye patch makes him look so, I guess, lol.

Too bad another favorite of mine, Otani Yoshitsugu, is not included among the kitties. Otani wears such a cool mask (due to the leprosy he suffered), the mask made him look so cool and mysterious^^

Really wishing for a cool, awesome version of Sekigahara battle in GOU, but I guess nothing can surpass AOI's Sekigahara battle, huh XD

Anyway... counting down, 48 hours to go until Ep4 "To Honnoji Temple"!! :woot:
GOU is really the only drama I'm excited about this season. (other winter dramas are in a range of ...so-so good to bad...)

Kawayuiiii~~! Haha, thanks! Garasham is Hosokawa Gracia (Akechi Mitsuhide's daughter) right? Is Ogonyan the leading lady in that game? This is a game unrelated to GOU NHK taiga drama, right? I'm glad if she is and if this game is unrelated to NHK.

Yes Garashamu is Mitsuhide's daughter Gracia...speaking of the character, Mimura is making her debut in ep 4 ~ To Honnoji.

The game has nothing to do with the drama, it's a light-hearted spinoff of Koei's strategy game series Nobunaga's Ambition. So the game's main kitty is Nobunyaga. I don't believe there's any female kitty lead...but I do wonder what roles the female kitties play in this game (in the normal game series they are pretty much just princesses which the daimyos can send off for political marriages XD ).

Seem like all these times, Chacha is the most popular sister in any adaptation...

As you said, so many of them portray Chacha the most out of the three sisters...so until I watched Aoi, I never knew much about Gou.

In fact, I don't like Chacha at all, she always portrayed evil in many adaptations, or weak in fictious movies, and given all the historical facts/rumors, I can see why Chacha is always portrayed as a despicable woman. (GOU's Chacha though, might be the only adaptation that would not portray her as a despicable woman)

I think this year's Taiga will portray all three ladies as great, just in different ways. On a side note, as violent as this year's Nobunaga has been...Toyokawa's version might just be my favorite yet. The screenwriting has a lot to do with it too.

Love all those neko versions of the Sengoku era warriors. Date Masamune kakkoii ne! His eye patch makes him look so, I guess, lol.

I just realized he's wielding a bamboo, lol.

Too bad another favorite of mine, Otani Yoshitsugu, is not included among the kitties. Otani wears such a cool mask (due to the leprosy he suffered), the mask made him look so cool and mysterious^^

The first time I knew of Yoshitsugu was from Koei's game Kessen, back in 2000. At the time I thought his character design was really cool http://www.gamecity.ne.jp/products/products/ee/new/kessen/kessen7.htm, then I read more about the story and found out the reason you just mentioned.

Really wishing for a cool, awesome version of Sekigahara battle in GOU, but I guess nothing can surpass AOI's Sekigahara battle, huh XD

Wasn't the first episode of Aoi solely on the summary of that battle? Then they went back to Hideyoshi's death and told the story leading to the battle, for 10+ episodes if I remember correctly.

Ratings went up again!

Ep01 21.7%
Ep02 22.1%
Ep03 22.6%

And the title names for episodes 5~8
5. Honnoji no Hen ~ Incident at Honnoji
6. Mitsuhide no Tenka ~ Mitsuhide's Realm (wiki has it as Mitsuhide's Glory...)
7. Haha no Saikon ~ Mother's Remarriage
8. Hajimete no Chichi ~ The First Father

http://www.gamecity.ne.jp/nobunyaga/images/run.swf

Kitty Gou running with kitty Nobunyaga XD

Liubeibei wrote:Ratings went up again!

Ep01 21.7%
Ep02 22.1%
Ep03 22.6%

Nice...! :victory:

Juri-chan is reeling in the viewers. :mrgreen:

Liubeibei wrote:Yes Garashamu is Mitsuhide's daughter Gracia...speaking of the character, Mimura is making her debut in ep 4 ~ To Honnoji.

Yeap! Can't wait! While I like Hasegawa Kyoko and Suzuki Kyoka's Gracia, I think Mimura can really be the perfect Gracia^^

The game has nothing to do with the drama, it's a light-hearted spinoff of Koei's strategy game series Nobunaga's Ambition. So the game's main kitty is Nobunyaga. I don't believe there's any female kitty lead...

hehe... just thought she is, coz her character is placed right below Nobunyaga, well actually Garasham has a bigger picture though. But at least, Chacha is far below, so I thought Ogonyan has a bigger role in the game :bonk:

I think this year's Taiga will portray all three ladies as great, just in different ways.

I'll take back my comment on GOU's Chacha. We have yet seen the grown-up version, so I guess we really don't know yet^^ She might become despicable during the pre-Sekigahara battle^^
On a side note, don't you think GOU's Hatsu and AOI's Hatsu are very different?
I admire AOI's Hatsu because she was such an awesome intermediate for the two opposite sides. Not sure if GOU's Hatsu can accomplish that task well, with that impatient trait :sweat: I don't like her much yet and I've read comments that GOU's novel readers doesn't like her much, either.

On a side note, as violent as this year's Nobunaga has been...Toyokawa's version might just be my favorite yet. The screenwriting has a lot to do with it too.

Hmm... Etsushi's Nobunaga is too soft, I'd say. He's like a Nobunaga in a shoujo manga XD
I prefer the crazy, scary Nobunaga in "Komyo ga Tsuji", he seem more realistic :mrgreen: Tabuchi Kumiko is trying very hard to make right all the bad facts about Nobunaga. But I choose to believe the real Nobunaga is 70-80% evil (compared to the good side), but with an awesome leadership. I think he has turned evil ever since he decided to kill his brother, since then seem like there's no way back for him.

Wasn't the first episode of Aoi solely on the summary of that battle? Then they went back to Hideyoshi's death and told the story leading to the battle, for 10+ episodes if I remember correctly.

Yeah, you remember that correctly. The battle was shown once again in Ep11-12 plus footages that were not shown in Ep1. It was the most comprehensive and detailed battle scene I ever seen. I read in japanese wiki that many taiga dramas re-use footages of AOI's Sekigahara scenes^^