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Started by bmwracer · 5 Jul 2010 · 1,735 replies

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10 Feb 2011, 17:56 #561
bmwracer wrote:
The ending does put a lump in your throat. :sweat:

I was only in tears when Gou-chan cried loudly in the end :shamefulcry:

Thank you, Liubeibei!!
10 Feb 2011, 20:26 #563
I was really amazed to read your discussion on d-addict, @yannie_chan @bmwracer and @Liubeibei about Mitsuhide and Nobunaga in Honnoji and compare to the other taiga Sengoku. :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Gou is my 1st Taiga drama, but from what you've all saying on d-addict, i believe episode 5 of Gou must be the best Honnoji incident ever :say_cool:
10 Feb 2011, 22:32 #564
ingesz wrote:I was really amazed to read your discussion on d-addict, @yannie_chan @bmwracer and @Liubeibei about Mitsuhide and Nobunaga in Honnoji and compare to the other taiga Sengoku. :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Gou is my 1st Taiga drama, but from what you've all saying on d-addict, i believe episode 5 of Gou must be the best Honnoji incident ever :say_cool:

Actually, it was more those two than me: I'm not nearly as familiar with the events as they are. :)
11 Feb 2011, 03:50 #565
yanie_chan wrote:I was only in tears when Gou-chan cried loudly in the end :shamefulcry:

Yup... You could really feel her sorrow. :sweat:
11 Feb 2011, 03:58 #566
Liubeibei wrote:I wonder if someone out there is making a list of the foods Hatsu eats in each episode...lol

Ep5 will be up pretty soon.

Yippee! Thanx for the subs!

And indeed, Hatsu is showing us a lot of Sengoku-jidai snacks. :mrgreen:
11 Feb 2011, 04:39 #567
7th-key wrote:And indeed, Hatsu is showing us a lot of Sengoku-jidai snacks. :mrgreen:

Hi-Chew? :hehe:

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11 Feb 2011, 06:02 #568
bmwracer wrote:
Hi-Chew? :hehe:

Bless you! :beaten:

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I read that this expression ("The enemy is at Honnōji") means one's real enemy is elsewhere. Since I'm guessing it's from Nobunaga's point of view, it was pretty neat and ironic to give the exact line to Mitsuhide.

Although myabe other Honnōji depictions did the same?
11 Feb 2011, 06:25 · edited #569
7th-key wrote:
Bless you! :beaten:

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I read that this expression ("The enemy is at Honnōji") means one's real enemy is elsewhere. Since I'm guessing it's from Nobunaga's point of view, it was pretty neat and ironic to give the exact line to Mitsuhide.

Although myabe other Honnōji depictions did the same?


I'm not sure what you mean by "Nobunaga's point of view." "Teki wa Honnoji ni ari" is the famous line in every single drama/book/even video game that Mitsuhide says right before the incident. His original opponent/enemy is supposed to be Chugoku's Mori Terumoto (therefore his 'real enemy is elsewhere'), but since he makes up his mind to "punish" Nobunaga, his "new" enemy would of course be at Honnoji, and thus the famous line.

From the videogame Sengoku Musou (Samurai Warriors)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JI_WXH5LVM

Regarding Hi-chew....LOL I was thinking the exact same thing...it really sounds like sneezing XD
11 Feb 2011, 06:35 #570
^ Just what my default online dictionary said:
http://tangorin.com/general/honnouji
I understood it this way: Nobunaga real enemy wasn't any of the clans he fought while conquering Japan, he was defeated by a traitor instead. Ergo his the real enemy was at Honnoji.

EDIT: so apparently I got it wrong. :beaten:
11 Feb 2011, 06:47 #571
7th-key wrote:^ Just what my default online dictionary said:
http://tangorin.com/general/honnouji
I understood it this way: Nobunaga real enemy wasn't any of the clans he fought while conquering Japan, he was defeated by a traitor instead. Ergo his the real enemy was at Honnoji.

EDIT: so apparently I got it wrong. :beaten:


That's the first time I've heard the phrase explained that way...I wonder where the dictionary got it from (or maybe it means Mitsuhide's real enemy is supposed to be Mori Terumoto).

That line has always belonged to Mitsuhide.
http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E6%95%B5%E3%81%AF%E6%9C%AC%E8%83%BD%E5%AF%BA%E3%81%AB%E3%81%82%E3%82%8A
I checked the wiki link above on the phrase itself. It simply says it's a line said by Mitsuhide when he decided to head for Honnoji instead of Chugoku, thus changing his enemy from Mori Terumoto to Oda Nobunaga.
11 Feb 2011, 07:06 #572
^ well, thank you for the clarification! :victory:
... and the youtube link. Btw. Mitsuhide is way hunkier there. :hehe:
11 Feb 2011, 07:12 #573
7th-key wrote:Btw. Mitsuhide is way hunkier there. :hehe:

Uh huh. :rolleyes:
11 Feb 2011, 08:03 #574
In case anyone would like to see other versions of the "Honnoji no Hen" :mrgreen:

Tokugawa Ieyasu (NHK 1983)
Oda Nobunaga: Yakusho Koji
Akechi Mitsuhide: Terada Minori
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SoAVPHCvrCk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHP2OnQSpbM

Nobunaga KING OF ZIPANGU (NHK 1993)
Oda Nobunaga: Ogata Naoto
Akechi Mitsuhide: Michael Tomioka
http://www.tudou.com/programs/view/CTv0_xG8lEo/

Hideyoshi (NHK 1996)
Oda Nobunaga: Watari Tetsuya
Akechi Mitsuhide: Murakami Hiroaki
http://www.tudou.com/programs/view/TRu8McbGvUI/

Toshiie to Matsu (NHK 2002)
Oda Nobunaga: Sorimachi Takashi
Akechi Mitsuhide: Hagiwara Ken'ichi
http://www.tudou.com/programs/view/uZ4ZJglPLZI/

Kunitori Monogatari (TV Tokyo 2005)
Oda Nobunaga: Ito Hideaki
Akechi Mitsuhide: Watabe Atsuro
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3jzkstYUZ4

Nobunaga no Kan (TV Asahi 2006)
Oda Nobunaga: Matsuoka Masahiro (TOKIO)
Akechi Mitsuhide: Kohinata Fumiyo
http://www.tudou.com/programs/view/6XasK0ygPvE/

TAIKOUKI (TV Asahi 2006)
Oda Nobunaga: Murakami Hiroaki
Akechi Mitsuhide: Kazama Toru
http://www.tudou.com/programs/view/hxU42kHoBpE/

Komyo ga Tsuji (NHK 2006)
Oda Nobunaga: Tachi Hiroshi
Akechi Mitsuhide: Bando Mitsugoro
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I06Uh4LWgqU

Teki wa Honnoji ni Ari (TV Asahi 2007)
Oda Nobunaga: Tamaki Hiroshi
Akechi Mitsuhide: Nakamura Baijaku
http://www.tudou.com/programs/view/ixiJe41SUY8/

Tenchijin (NHK 2009)
Oda Nobunaga: Mikawa Koji
Akechi Mitsuhide: Tsurumi Shingo
http://www.tudou.com/programs/view/6e3vmmYTvKs/
11 Feb 2011, 08:13 #575
^ Yow. :sweat:

Honnoji overload. :nut:
11 Feb 2011, 08:32 #576
Awesome list! @ yanie

yanie_chan wrote:
Teki wa Honnoji ni Ari (TV Asahi 2007)
Oda Nobunaga: Tamaki Hiroshi
Akechi Mitsuhide: Nakamura Baijaku
http://www.tudou.com/programs/view/ixiJe41SUY8/

LOL, these are Chiaki-Senpai as Nobunaga and the AOI-Narrator as Mitsuhide! :rofl:
11 Feb 2011, 08:58 #577
yanie_chan wrote:In case anyone would like to see other versions of the "Honnoji no Hen" :mrgreen:

Teki wa Honnoji ni Ari (TV Asahi 2007)
Oda Nobunaga: Tamaki Hiroshi
Akechi Mitsuhide: Nakamura Baijaku
http://www.tudou.com/programs/view/ixiJe41SUY8/


yanie_chan :sugoiii :victory:

Chiaki-senpai as Oda Nobunaga :mwahaha:
i'll try this later after finish watching Gou version :dancing:
11 Feb 2011, 09:35 #578
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Toyokawa Etsushi vs. Tamaki hiroshi
Gou ~Himetachi no Sengoku vs. Teki wa Honnoji ni Ari

although I really love Tamaki Hiroshi, but I prefer Toyokawa Etsushi version
since he just stick in my mind as Oda Nobunaga :mrgreen: :bow:

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