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ganmo wrote:I just heard about that....horrible! There are conflicting accounts as to whether it was a helicopter or a small plane. The FBI is saying it was not a terrorist attack.

Another eye witness on NYC TV news channel said it was a small white plane. She said it lost altitude and was spiraling down before it crashed into the apt. building. Part of the fuselage fell on the street.

The latest news is that this plane may have been recently purchased by NY Yankees pitcher Cory Lidle. That info is not 100% confirmed yet.

Enna...

You're too quick...I had actually edited my post when you typed out yours. :hehe:

ganmo wrote:Enna...

You're too quick...I had actually edited my post when you typed out yours. :hehe:

I live on Long Island, NY and this story is on every news channel here. That is why I am so quick.

Enna wrote:

I live on Long Island, NY and this story is on every news channel here. That is why I am so quck. :bonk:

Thanks for the details, Enna-san!

I just finished watching a Lisa Ling special on Oprah, and I don't remember where Tu-san posted that article about North Korea's nuclear testing, but it was about her going to N. Korea undercover. I knew that it was a secretive country but I didn't know it was like a complete bubble. People who live there have no idea what the "outside" world is like because the government controls all media. No internet, no advertisements, no magazines, no international newspapers. There are no cellphones in N. Korea because the government is afraid that American satellites will pick up conversations.

When Ling entered N. Korea, she was the only American in the entire country, and was continuously escorted by official guards. Apparently, for N. Korea, the Korean war never really ended, and they're very proud of their weapon.

Wynter wrote:
Apparently, for N. Korea, the Korean war never really ended, and they're very proud of their weapon.

Technically the Korean War is not over, we just have a cease fire.

I haven't seen how she was able to enter the country... I did see another website where some Americans entered via China from South Korea.

Wynter wrote:

Thanks for the details, Enna-san!

I just finished watching a Lisa Ling special on Oprah, and I don't remember where Tu-san posted that article about North Korea's nuclear testing, but it was about her going to N. Korea undercover. I knew that it was a secretive country but I didn't know it was like a complete bubble. People who live there have no idea what the "outside" world is like because the government controls all media. No internet, no advertisements, no magazines, no international newspapers. There are no cellphones in N. Korea because the government is afraid that American satellites will pick up conversations.

When Ling entered N. Korea, she was the only American in the entire country, and was continuously escorted by official guards. Apparently, for N. Korea, the Korean war never really ended, and they're very proud of their weapon.

those idiots in north korean are savages from the stone age....the country is in complete disarray...it's a piece of crap.....they spend all their money on the communist elites, there are virtually no social services, no food, no electricity, and no hope for most of the ppl...YET they have a nuclear facility. they regularly torture ppl and abduct citizens of S Korea and Japan.

i once saw a documentary on North Korea where the government advised the ppl to eat grass as a source of good nutrition because there was a faminine.

look at this satellite photo of the korean pennisula...the entire country of south korea is lit up while north korea is in absolute darkness....no electricity.

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look it the dark mass that is N. Korea compared to S. Korea Japan and even China

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dochira wrote:
Technically the Korean War is not over, we just have a cease fire.

I haven't seen how she was able to enter the country... I did see another website where some Americans entered via China from South Korea.

Ah yea, true. There never was an offical end to that war.

Ling was traveling with eyedoctors from Nepal I believe. She went undercover as some sort of assistant. Apparently the doctor was really wanted in N. Korea but he stated that he absolutely needed her to be at his side, and therefore she was allowed in as well. Crazy.

Tu_triky wrote:

those idiots in north korean are savages from the stone age....the country is in complete disarray...it's a piece of crap.....they spend all their money on the communist elites, there are virtually no social services, no food, no electricity, and no hope for most of the ppl...YET they have a nuclear facility. they regularly torture ppl and abduct citizens of S Korea and Japan.

i once saw a documentary on North Korea where the government advised the ppl to eat grass as a source of good nutrition because there was a faminine.

look at this satellite photo of the korean pennisula...the entire country of south korea is lit up while north korea is an absolute darkness....no electricity.

WOW!

South Korea is a blossoming democratic country, and it's amazing to see such a huge difference in North Korea. I heard about the eating grass thing. The poverty in N. Korea is startling.

These eye doctors, who were sponsered from OUTSIDE N. Korea preformed hundreds of operations a day, and when the patients lifted their eye patches and realized they could see, they didn't thank the doctors... they turned to the large picture of their dictator and bowed down in worship. No one was allowed to even hint that the dictator hadn't done anything. THe doctors couldn't even put up signs of the companies that actually sponsered them because they were from outside of Korea. This is how the dictator conditions the citizens, nay, subjects. It's so disturbingly sad. :shakehead:

Wynter wrote:

Thanks for the details, Enna-san!

I just finished watching a Lisa Ling special on Oprah, and I don't remember where Tu-san posted that article about North Korea's nuclear testing, but it was about her going to N. Korea undercover. I knew that it was a secretive country but I didn't know it was like a complete bubble. People who live there have no idea what the "outside" world is like because the government controls all media. No internet, no advertisements, no magazines, no international newspapers. There are no cellphones in N. Korea because the government is afraid that American satellites will pick up conversations.

When Ling entered N. Korea, she was the only American in the entire country, and was continuously escorted by official guards. Apparently, for N. Korea, the Korean war never really ended, and they're very proud of their weapon.

Thanks for this info Wynter. The Oprah show has been pre-empted today due to the NYC plane crash. They found NY Yankees starter pitcher Cory Lidle's passport on the ground where the plane fell down. So far two confirmed dead. The pilot and the student pilot. No names are given out yet. Either 10 or 11 are injured. Some are firemen and some are people who lived in the apt bldg. Mayor Bloomberg said it was definitely NOT a terrorist act.

dochira wrote:I haven't seen how she was able to enter the country... I did see another website where some Americans entered via China from South Korea.

I was wondering how Lisa Ling entered the country also. I hope I can see this show tonight at 7PM.

Enna wrote:

I was wondering how Lisa Ling entered the country also. I hope I can see this show tonight at 7PM.

ing was traveling with eyedoctors from Nepal I believe. She went undercover as some sort of assistant. Apparently the doctor was really wanted in N. Korea but he stated that he absolutely needed her to be at his side, and therefore she was allowed in as well. Crazy.

She's in the first segment of Oprah's show. It's amazing the way the guards tried to manipulate her perception of N. Korea. They showed footage of the streets. There wasn't one person outside.

Yea, it doesn't sound like a terrorist attack. I hope it isn't causing any miscommunication. Panic is a great enemy.

Wynter wrote:
She's in the first segment of Oprah's show. It's amazing the way the guards tried to manipulate her perception of N. Korea. They showed footage of the streets. There wasn't one person outside.

In case you're curious, I found the link: http://1stopkorea.com/index.htm?nk-trip1.htm~mainframe

Wynter wrote:

WOW!

South Korea is a blossoming democratic country, and it's amazing to see such a huge difference in North Korea. I heard about the eating grass thing. The poverty in N. Korea is startling.

read this excerpt:

Let Them Eat Pizza

The Dear Leader rules a country in ruin.

Battered by floods, decades of mismanagement and cutbacks in aid from the former Soviet bloc, the North Korean economy collapsed in the 1990s. Factories closed, offices went unheated, electricity flickered on and off. In the countryside, peasants ate grass and bark.

"If you went a little outside the center of Pyongyang," Hwang Jang Yop wrote in his memoir, "the roads were filled with people who were reduced to mere skeletons."

At least a million of North Korea's 22 million people starved to death.

The Dear Leader was not unmoved. He responded to the famine by executing his agriculture secretary.

In a rare speech in 1996, he said the starvation wasn't his fault. "The Great Leader told me when he was alive never to be involved in economic projects," he explained, "just to concentrate on the military and the party and leave economics to party functionaries."

He did not promise to feed his people but he did promise to feed his million-member army. "If the U.S. imperialists know that we do not have rice for the military," he said, "then they would immediately invade us."

A fat man in a famine, the Dear Leader also took steps to guarantee his own supply of food, including pizza. In 1999, his agents recruited two Italian chefs and brought them to North Korea, where they set up a state-of-the-art pizza kitchen and trained the Dear Leader's cooks in the fine points of gourmet pizza -- a bizarre episode that one of the Italians, Ermanno Furlanis, later recounted in an article titled "I Made Pizza for Kim Jong Il

i love this excerpt as well:

In 2001, the Dear Leader's eldest son, Kim Jong Nam -- presumed heir to the throne -- was arrested trying to enter Japan on a fake passport from the Dominican Republic. Accompanied by two women and a 4-year-old boy, he was wearing a Rolex watch and carrying a fat wad of money. Questioned by customs officials, he offered a simple explanation. "I wanted to go to Disneyland," he said.

Wynter wrote:

She's in the first segment of Oprah's show. It's amazing the way the guards tried to manipulate her perception of N. Korea. They showed footage of the streets. There wasn't one person outside.

Yea, it doesn't sound like a terrorist attack. I hope it isn't causing any miscommunication. Panic is a great enemy.

Thanks for that info Wynter. I went back and read some posts on the N. Korean discussion that I missed the first time around. I had seen those those aerial pics without the lights Tu. What a sad way to allow people to live their lives.

Re: NYC plane crash. The firemen handled it like a routine call from the very beginning due to the size of the plane and eyewitness accounts. The only time they reported some panic was when the people on the street below finally realized what happaned and began to run as the pieces of the plane started to fall. There were people in the apt. bldg who saw the plane coming and escaped to safety by elevator. It did cause some major traffic tie-ups on the FDR! Fortunately there are some excellent hospitals on the East side of NYC for all who were injured.

Enna wrote:

Thanks for that info Wynter. I went back and read some posts on the N. Korean discussion that I missed the first time around. I had seen those those aerial pics without the lights Tu. What a sad way to allow people to live their lives.

it is sad...it's similar to the deplorable conditions of East Germans before the Reunification, only worse. Communism doesn't work in practice....it's always perverted into an oppressive police state that extinguishes the plurarity of thought and feeds the corrupted few at the expense of the contemptable many

dochira wrote:
In case you're curious, I found the link: http://1stopkorea.com/index.htm?nk-trip1.htm~mainframe

Kimland indeed. :shakehead:

He did not promise to feed his people but he did promise to feed his million-member army. "If the U.S. imperialists know that we do not have rice for the military," he said, "then they would immediately invade us."

As silly as it sounds, apparently this is their very attitude. I mean, we're talking about a guy who thinks Iraq was "found out" because America caught a conversation through a cellphone. :crazy: In school, the children are taught that America is the enemy.

A fat man in a famine, the Dear Leader also took steps to guarantee his own supply of food, including pizza. In 1999, his agents recruited two Italian chefs and brought them to North Korea, where they set up a state-of-the-art pizza kitchen and trained the Dear Leader's cooks in the fine points of gourmet pizza -- a bizarre episode that one of the Italians, Ermanno Furlanis, later recounted in an article titled "I Made Pizza for Kim Jong Il

:shakehead: Some autocratic leader, eh.

There were people in the apt. bldg who saw the plane coming and escaped to safety by elevator.

Wow, thank God.

Fortunately there are some excellent hospitals on the East side of NYC for all who were injured.

So far the casualty is two? Identities?

Tu_triky wrote:

it is sad...it's similar to the deplorable conditions of East Germans before the Reunification, only worse. Communism doesn't work in practice....it's always perverted into an oppressive police state that extinguishes the plurarity of thought and feeds the corrupted few at the expense of the contemptable many

Is this why N. Korea has been allowed to treat its' people so badly, because the world leaders are sitting around doing nothing like before WWII? Why do world leaders always have their head buried in the sand when there are blatant atrocities like this in the world?

Enna wrote:

Is this why N. Korea has been allowed to treat its people so badly, because the world leaders are sitting around doing nothing like before WWII? Why do world leaders always have their head buried in the sand when there are blatant atrocities like this in the world?

Exactly. Like why was North Korea allowed to through out the Nuclear inspection guys when they went knocking?

With the success of their testing, all America can do now is put up sanctions. Japan, which is closer and feeling really threatened, has already done so. But I mean, it's a little too late now, isn't it?

America went into Iraq because they thought there were nukes there, and all along they knew what was happening in N. Korea. It ended up that nothing was found in Iraq, and now N. Korea has a weapon. It doesn't make sense.

Wynter wrote:

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the guy is a fat Korean Stalin with the paranoia and ugliness to boot.

Hard to fathom a million ppl dying of starvation in a country that has nuclear capability? And just south is S. Korea...one of the most affluent countries in the world.

Tu_triky wrote:


the guy is a fat Korean Stalin with the paranoia and ugliness to boot.

Hard to fathom a million ppl dying of starvation in a country that has nuclear capability? And just south is S. Korea...one of the most affluent countries in the world.

This is exactly what I can't wrap my mind around. They used to be ONE. It's amazing just how different the outcome can be of two totally different governments.