Favorite Drink?/Drink Talk Thread

Started by Bsalez · 1 Feb 2004 · 1,879 replies

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9 Nov 2010, 00:02 #1721
Tu_triky wrote:Pretty interesting read. I guess from a marketing standpoint they never really cultivated the image of rum as a sophisticated drink, like cognac or scotch.

A pirate's life isn't cultivated???

Arrrrr... :grumble:
9 Nov 2010, 00:27 #1722
bmwracer wrote:
A pirate's life isn't cultivated???

Arrrrr... :grumble:


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9 Nov 2010, 00:37 #1723
^ Guess they start 'em young. :hehe:
9 Nov 2010, 00:39 #1724
bmwracer wrote:^ Guess they start 'em young. :hehe:


Ay, matey!
9 Nov 2010, 08:11 #1725
bmwracer wrote:
A pirate's life isn't cultivated???

Arrrrr... :grumble:


:puppydog: :puppydog:

Im shocked anyone could say that.

OT: On a cold day like today my favorite Starbucks misto with a half pump mocha and whipped cream go down perfect.
21 Feb 2011, 22:47 #1726
The Drunkest Countries In the World

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/02/17/drunkest-countries-in-the-world_n_824757.html

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22 Feb 2011, 02:00 #1727
bmwracer wrote:The Drunkest Countries In the World

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/02/17/drunkest-countries-in-the-world_n_824757.html

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I knew Korea was up there. Just the Koreans I know here could have qualified their country for top honors. :hehe:
22 Feb 2011, 02:27 #1728
Tu_triky wrote:I knew Korea was up there. Just the Koreans I know here could have qualified their country for top honors. :hehe:

LOL.

Represent! :rofl:
22 Feb 2011, 02:45 #1729
bmwracer wrote:
LOL.

Represent! :rofl:


No joke, dude. :)
25 Feb 2011, 00:40 #1730
http://www.latimes.com/features/food/la-fo-artisanal-sake-20110224,0,4147242.story

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Brewing premium sake on Sado Island

At Obata Brewery in Japan, a brew master carefully oversees the details that go into making high-quality sake. He even moves into the brewery at one point to keep a closer eye on the mash.

By Sonoko Sakai, Special to the Los Angeles Times

February 24, 2011

Reporting from Niigata, Japan \ At the Obata Brewery on Sado Island, the creamy mash in the large vats is in various stages of fermentation. One batch looks like a giant puffy bud that is about to bloom. Others are more fluid, but occasionally a lava-like bubble pops on the surface, giving off fragrant notes of melon, strawberry and even banana. These vats contain moromi, the fermenting mash of rice, water, yeast and koji mold that will eventually turn into sake.

Although ordinary sake is in most cases mass-produced in automated plants where machines take the place of humans, premium sake, tokutei meishoshu, is another story. It makes up only 25% of the sake produced in Japan and can be hard to find, as some premium sakes are made in small quantities by micro-brewers.

There are strict standards to qualify for premium grade. The determining factor is the quality of the rice, particularly how much it is polished or milled. The more polished the rice, the lighter, more delicate, fragrant and mellower the sake will be. To achieve these qualities, vastly different efforts in brewing are required, many of which cannot be left to the robots.

The brewing must be done mostly by hand, the traditional way. If you ask sake experts to name the crucial element to making premium-grade sake, they will most likely say "people" \ in particular, the skill and instincts of the brew master.

The brew master, or toji, at this sake house is young Kenya Kudo, and at this tricky time of year he moves into the brewery so he can keep an eye on the mash around the clock. His house is only a stone's throw away, so he goes home every day to see his family, eat a home-cooked meal and take a bath \ but he always returns to the brewery at night.

Timing is everything in sake-making. Fermentation in the vats can take 18 to 35 days, depending on the temperature and other variables. Ultimately, it's up to the brew master to decide when to press the mash to produce the liquid that becomes sake.

As far back as he can remember, Kudo wanted to be a shokunin, an artisan who works with his hands. He liked to drink sake and while still in college heard that artisanal breweries were suffering because of a shortage of young people, so he thought he could be a brewer.

When Kudo started investigating, he focused on Niigata, where the many sunny days in the summer for growing rice, and the low temperatures in winter for brewing, are just about perfect. The region has the largest concentration of jizake \ regional micro-breweries \ in Japan. He applied to the Niigata Sake Brewers Assn. for an entry-level position as a brewer.

Kudo got a call back from Shunichi Obata, the owner of the 120-year-old brewery on Sado Island. Obata produces 120,000 bottles of sake a year. Compared with a commercial brewery, its yield is small. (Some of the national brands produce up to 30 million bottles a year.) Despite Obata's size, its sales in the United States are growing. Obata is imported by Kura Selections and Niigata Sake Selections, and its Manotsuru sake can be found in Los Angeles at the Wine House.

Obata initially turned him down, but not because he failed the interview. Instead, the owner advised the young man to consider carefully the remoteness of the island (two hours by ferry from the city of Niigata ). Kudo visited a few other breweries in the region, but he had a hunch that Obata was the right place for him. It was a small brewery where he could learn the skills of brewing faster than at a larger place where more of the tasks might be automated.

So he went to work for Obata, apprenticing under veteran brewer Maho Matsui. Kudo's good instincts and hard work paid off sooner than expected, and at the age of 29, he was promoted to toji, brew master at Obata. Since then he has dedicated his efforts to making premium-grade sakes, including the award-winning Manotsuru "Maho" Daiginjo, which is named after his old master.

A typical day at the brewery begins early with the preparation of the raw materials, specifically washing and soaking the rice. Seven young men, kurabito, comprise Kudo's brewing team. Shallow vats are filled with water, which is pumped from the well 230 feet below. The soft water of the Niigata region is said to make particularly good sake. The concrete floor of the brewery is wet and slippery. Temperatures in the brewery hover in the low 40s, about the same as outside.

The rice used is a variety grown specifically for brewing sake. Although table rice is edible, sake rice isn't. With sake rice, much of the outer, flavorful and nutritious part of the grain gets polished away, leaving mostly the starch for the brewer to use. The kernels that have gone through such slow but repeated polishing are dry and absorb water much faster than would a whole grain such as brown rice.

One of the factors that determines whether a sake is premium or ordinary grade is the degree of rice polishing. Within the premium-grade sake that Kudo produces, ginjo-style sakes have 40% or more of each grain ground away. Daiginjo-style sake has a polishing ratio of 50% or more. Obata's Manotsuru "Maho" Daiginjo has an even higher polishing ratio \ 65% of the grain is stripped away, which leaves the sake with a clean, fresh, fruity aroma with notes of anise. Sakes made from less-polished rice tend to have earthier flavors. Which you prefer is a matter of taste.

When Kudo takes out the stopwatch and says "Go," the men immediately submerge sacks of rice in the water. No one moves except Kudo, who squats down with a wooden paddle to check how much water the rice has absorbed. If he misjudges the soaking time, even by a few seconds, it can affect the quality of the rice, and in turn jeopardize the rest of the brewing process.

Kudo must pay attention to the temperature of the water, the quality of the polished rice and the amount of washing or soaking it has undergone, in order to avoid any cracking of the grains. When Kudo signals the men to lift the rice out of the water, they do it in unison and transfer the rice to a conveyer belt, where it is prepared for steaming. It is like watching a carefully choreographed dance.

When the steaming is completed, the men shovel out the rice by hand and spread it out on a flat surface. Part of the rice is taken to a room that is kept hot and humid, with temperatures around 86 degrees. It is said that this koji-muro is the heart of brewing. This is where the koji mold that helps ferment the rice is grown. Kudo measures and sprinkles the spores over the steamed rice and kneads them in by hand.

The koji converts the rice starch into fermentable sugars, which later serve as food for the yeast cells that turn the sugars into alcohol. The big creamy bloom and bubbles of the moromi are the workings of these microorganisms. They play crucial roles in the brewing process and give sake its flavor and fragrance.

The koji rice is wrapped in blankets and left in the hot muro to incubate. The men come out into the cold brewery again, and divide their chores for the rest of the afternoon. Kudo climbs the ladder that leans against the vat and gives the moromi a gentle poke with a long wooden paddle. It is almost ready to be pressed. Maybe tomorrow.

When evening comes, he will take a short break, go home and have a little sake, which he enjoys pairing with food. He likes talking to his three children and thinking about what they will become when they grow up. Then Kudo will take a nice hot bath, part of his daily ritual. And finally he will go back to the brewery again. Sake is a way of life.
25 Feb 2011, 01:36 #1731
bmwracer wrote:http://www.latimes.com/features/food/la-fo-artisanal-sake-20110224,0,4147242.story

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Brewing premium sake on Sado Island




Interesting article. Talk about loving your job. This guy is in the sack with sake.
25 Feb 2011, 02:02 #1732
^ Really amazed with all the various artisans in Japan: sake, paper, sword making, etc.... :victory: :applaud:
25 Feb 2011, 02:08 #1733
bmwracer wrote:^ Really amazed with all the various artisans in Japan: sake, paper, sword making, etc.... :victory: :applaud:


The dedication and passion that these artisanal craftsmen have is nothing sort of extraordinary.
25 Feb 2011, 02:41 #1734
Tu_triky wrote:The dedication and passion that these artisanal craftsmen have is nothing sort of extraordinary.

Yup.

I see a lot that when I watch Journeys in Japan... Great stuff.
25 Feb 2011, 02:49 #1735
bmwracer wrote:
Yup.

I see a lot that when I watch Journeys in Japan... Great stuff.


I fear, as in many places in the world, these men and women are a dying breed.
25 Feb 2011, 03:52 #1736
Tu_triky wrote:I fear, as in many places in the world, these men and women are a dying breed.

Yeah, some are.

Most of these artisans have carried it through their families for hundreds of years... :sweat: :applaud:
25 Feb 2011, 08:04 #1737
bmwracer wrote:
Yeah, some are.

Most of these artisans have carried it through their families for hundreds of years... :sweat: :applaud:


Absolutely. That is one of the things I loved about the Dotch Ryori Show. Every time they discussed the "tokusen zosai" <special ingredient> for a particular dish, time and time again, they scoured the Japanese countryside often prevailing upon purveyors that have been producing, growing, making, or catching something that's been handed down from generation to generation in an unbroken line going back hundreds of years (as you stated). Simply awe-inspiring.
25 Feb 2011, 08:25 #1738
Tu_triky wrote:Absolutely. That is one of the things I loved about the Dotch Ryori Show. Every time they discussed the "tokusen zosai" <special ingredient> for a particular dish, time and time again, they scoured the Japanese countryside often prevailing upon purveyors that have been producing, growing, making, or catching something that's been handed down from generation to generation in an unbroken line going back hundreds of years (as you stated). Simply awe-inspiring.

I suppose we have some artisans here in the States, but I couldn't tell you who they were in a million years. :sweat:
25 Feb 2011, 09:22 #1739
bmwracer wrote:
I suppose we have some artisans here in the States, but I couldn't tell you who they were in a million years. :sweat:


Of course we do...but I'm with you...I'm unaware of who they are. Notwithstanding that fact, the United States is a very young country in historical terms. Some of the purveyors featured in the tokusen sozai segments have been doing their thing for two, three, or four hundred years.

You just can't compare.

I remember watching an episode of Anthony Bourdain: No Reservations a while back where Bourdain went to Tokyo and he ate at a soba-ya with his guide, Iron Chef Morimoto...this soba restaurant has been around a few hundred years. :sweat:
25 Feb 2011, 23:42 #1740
THe Power of Beer.

http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00622/beer_goggles_622180a.swf

Seemed right for this thread too.

FWIW Bourdain gets to eat some really great food. :pout:

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