Valentine's Day

ahochaude wrote:C'mon dude. If you got a toothbrush, what would you think of the person giving it to you? that's cheap-skate stuff man

the toothbrush is mixxdreamers department, not mine so ask her :hehe:
but what gives you the right to call that cheapskate? when you don't understand the meaning of getting a cool present besides a bigger, better more expensive one?

a nice conversation is in place but you seem to get really upset and tell people to "piss off" (yup, the endless quoting syndrome) when they disagree or think different: that's NOT the way to debate :shakehead:

oooh i love debates but lets all get along.. for valentine's sake.. make love not war :victory: c'mon aho lets go to sleep, we're both victims in chronic insomnia, i should be sleeping by now.. i have class @ 2pm

Terryb wrote:the toothbrush is mixxdreamers department, not mine so ask her :hehe:
but what gives you the right to call that cheapskate? when you don't understand the meaning of getting a cool present besides a bigger, better more expensive one?

I'd love to give a cool present too. Especially if I had handcrafted such. If I had the time, I'd make her something. Even though I'm not good at it, I'd try.

But because time is against me, I shop at where I work. And lucky me, my wife likes the products from the company I work for. Easy for me. Good for her. What is so wrong with that? Also, are you aware that I have 3 jobs, and I only see her (my wife) for 1 hour in the morning, and about 3 hours from the time I get home????!!!! (Yeah, EVERYDAY)
If you lived that type of lifestyle, how much extra time would you have to do 'creative' projects to give to your loved one for Valentine's Day?
Maybe that's why I have to resort to buying her such things?

Hey dude, trust me, I'd rather make her a doll made out of straws. (Saves me money, right?) And of course, even at that, every year I would like to better myself from years past. But shit, I've no time so I buy shit rather than make it (or being creative). And as the homemade stuff, I want to get her something better and different every year.
And I've done the chocolates and flowers gig for years already.

Terryb wrote:a nice conversation is in place but you seem to get really upset and tell people to "piss off" (yup, the endless quoting syndrome) when they disagree or think different: that's NOT the way to debate :shakehead:

I've actually enjoyed the conversation up to this point. Being judged for my opinions moves it into a totally different atmosphere.

I haven't told anyone to "piss off". Read all of my posts and you'll see.
I've also nothing against opposing opinions. Opposing opinions are fine. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion(s). But when others get on others for their views and opinions, that's what upsets me. Especially when one is categorized after stating his/her opinion.
I was just voicing out my opinion(s). Having being told that I was somewhat mistaken and materialistic moves this whole topic into a different catergory.

Terryb wrote:ahochaude: seems like it's more important to yourself in getting a bigger n better n more expensive gift each year than to your partner :hehe:

Character assumptions like this is just another example of why I get upset with people who sterotype after hearing another's opinon.

bottom line. --- Don't judge me by my opinions. Listen/read my opinoins with a fair ear. Do not categorize me or sterotype me by what I say, especially if you don't agree with it. You don't know me or where I come from.

aww you only see your wife for an hour everyday? thats really tough.. :( specially if you're off days are your work days as well. :puppydog: i think reading ur side of the story is touching but in a sad way.. you're not gonna work 3 jobs forever are u?

4 hours/day, babe. ;)




Trust me, it's not by choice either. Hey, you don't IM me anymore. :(

cuz you're never on :P .. im always chatting with aka on yahoo.. and i didnt have msn for a couple of months.. or do u mean pm? hehe i have new sns btw now, ill pm u with all of em :mrgreen:

MixxDreamer wrote:oooh i love debates but lets all get along.. for valentine's sake.. make love not war :victory: c'mon aho lets go to sleep, we're both victims in chronic insomnia, i should be sleeping by now.. i have class @ 2pm

I'm cool. The opposing opinions (which is fine) and sterotypes and judgement of character (which isn't fine) came from not myself, but the other two involved parties.

I'm going to sleep now. Try to at least. Gotta work tomorrow from 8:00am. It's almost 4:00am right now. :beaten:


Yeah, I'm never on anymore. No time. :bleh: Sucks royal dildo. :usuck:
But whenever I do sign on, you guys aren't there. :beaten:

Oh, you don't have MSN anymore??? 'Cause I don't have AOL. Only MSN. What did we chat on last time? :crazy:

didnt u have yahoo too? but yeh we chatted on msn, had a 3-some with aka remember? :hehe:

goodnight guys, its 603am over here hehe i should catch some Zzzz too

Oh yeah..Aho..I remembered that 3 somes..LoL..wanna do that again? :hehe: I still have msn but hardly got online there though...

Aho,
i can see that you like to debate.....you also like to talk alot :blahblah:
anyway, i dont mind debating with you, its actually kind of funny.
not in a bad way though bcs despite some of the wierd shit you say
i can tell that your pretty smart.
hmmmm.....brains and beauty,.......
siggghhhhh Aho.. :smitten:
:victory:

ahochaude wrote:

Don't judge me by my opinions. Listen/read my opinoins with a fair ear. Do not categorize me or sterotype me by what I say, especially if you don't agree with it.

so now all of a sudden the things you say mean nothing? That's an easy way to get out of it. When you post something, people will react to it and that's what we did. Nothing more. If you can't accept that, then don't 'debate'.

But noo, now you're the victim and feel the need to bite people's head off - really uncool.

you can continue quoting me, but when you read carefully all my posts, judging by all the :hehe: emotes. you can see they weren't hostile at all.

TANG wrote:Aho,
i can see that you like to debate.....you also like to talk alot :blahblah:
:victory:

i prefer aho talking than not being around, we hardly talk now :pout:

MixxDreamer wrote:i prefer aho talking than not being around, we hardly talk now :pout:

Did someone say, "debate"? :victory:

wanna join? :mrgreen:

TANG wrote:Aho,
i can see that you like to debate.....you also like to talk alot :blahblah:
anyway, i dont mind debating with you, its actually kind of funny.
not in a bad way though bcs despite some of the wierd shit you say
i can tell that your pretty smart.
hmmmm.....brains and beauty,.......
siggghhhhh Aho.. :smitten:
:victory:

Did you say weird shit? OMG..Look who's talking :hehe:

MixxDreamer wrote:wanna join? :mrgreen:

Heh. I'm in! :victory:

seems like u guys might just have a debate on valentine's day, the topic....i don't even have clue[/img]

MixxDreamer wrote:i prefer aho talking than not being around, we hardly talk now :pout:

aww poor mix, :patpat:
AHO cant you see ppl miss you around here!

Come on guys, where's the love? :flyingkiss: :hehe:

eightysix wrote:Come on guys, where's the love? :flyingkiss: :hehe:

It's all good here, bro. Nothing but love. :D

Terryb wrote: so now all of a sudden the things you say mean nothing? That's an easy way to get out of it. When you post something, people will react to it and that's what we did. Nothing more. If you can't accept that, then don't 'debate'.

But noo, now you're the victim and feel the need to bite people's head off - really uncool.

you can continue quoting me, but when you read carefully all my posts, judging by all the :hehe: emotes. you can see they weren't hostile at all.

If I wanted "out", I would've pulled a cop out statement rather than post an opinion opposing yours.

In no way am I implying that I'm the "victim". I'm merely just trying to prove a point. --My point.



A debate can be a debate without making judgements on the opposing person's "character". I've not judged you in any sense. It just so happens that our opinions coincide with one another, yes? Basically, the way I see it is that debates should be an event when you're just making opinions off of someone else's opinion, and not character. But never is it so simple.

According to my observation, how this started is that after I posted what I do for V-day, you post your opposing comment in response to mine. Which is fine. As a result, I responded. I did not ignite this debate. I basically responded to you and you had something to say after that. From there, it snowballed here.

Terryb wrote:but you seem to get really upset and tell people to "piss off" (yup, the endless quoting syndrome) when they disagree or think different: that's NOT the way to debate :shakehead:

Statements like this is what I'm talking about when I said that I feel as though you're criticizing my character rather than my opinion.

Another thing, quoting others is the way I post normally. Nothing to do with you and this topic at hand. I quote other users who posted right above my post in response to them. If you'd like, please feel free to check out my proflie and check my posting history. You'll see that it differs no more than our conversation here.

There is no hostility in this on my behalf whatsoever. I understand your use of :hehe: emoticons. That's fine. I however, don't use them as freely as you do. However my "lack of use" of the emoticons doesn't necessarily mean that I'm "hostile". I am not "upset" as you've stated. I'm sorry you felt that way. Rest assured, no harm and hostility here.

Obviously we have opposing opinions. So what? There is no wrong way. But the fact was that I did not appreciate the judge in character or even my motive in what I do. Regardless, this has expanded onto three pages of the topic already. This conversation should be terminated. From the looks of it, it's not going to end. I guess we are two people with "hard heads" (stubborn thinking). But as I said, there is no wrong way. Everyone is different. That's how it is.

No hostility from your side huh? There wouldn't be a problem, if you weren't so oversensitive. Try reading your own posts again, since that reply at me and Tang's: full of acid. So my question is: if you know there's no hostility from my side to start with, why are you so upset and assuming that I or Tang want to judge you and take it so personally?

This is surely not going to end if you keep wanting to retaliate (for whatever reasons) You know damn well you got nothing on me.

but yeah, enough of this already: we got better things to do, like finding a nice present :mrgreen: