American Football (NFL, College, etc.)

Elton

HAHAHAHAHAA, if you had to choose only one, which would it be?

Well you know... there are a lot of football coaches who'd do just as well. :hehe:

As to Pete Carroll's coaching history:

He started out as a defensive assistant for Lou Holtz when Holtz was at Arkansas. He did some time at Ohio St. Was the Defensive coordinator at North Carolina St.

Then onto the NFL where he was a defensive coordinator for Buffalo, the Vikings, and then the Jets. (In his final year he was named the Head Coach of the Jets... but that was a real bad situation back then.)

In '95 and '96 he was the Defensive coordinator for the Niners and he put together some very very good defenses. The team went 11 and 5 and 12 and 4 with Carroll working for Seifert.

Then Seifert got fired, Mooch was brought in, and Carroll got the Head Coaching job at the Pats for 3 years.. The Pats went to the playoffs all three years, but never got to the Superbowl.

Then Carroll hit USC and became everybody's favorite overnight success.

Geezer wrote:Then Carroll hit USC and became everybody's favorite overnight success.

Groan. :bleh:

BMW,

How about Norm Chow for the Niners?

As OC, in a heart beat. The guy is outstanding.

As a HC... Does he want it?

Remember, being a HC in the NFL is a very different job.

Outstanding coaches like Bobb McKittrick and Defensive guru Fritz Shurmer (sp?) looked at HC jobs and said... no way!

I know Chow interviewed for the Stanford job (didn't get it) but I don't know if he wants to go from being a coach to being an exec. and a TV personality. Which is pretty much what being a HC in the NFL is.

Has he said anything to the local press about wanting to move into the hot seat?

Geezer wrote:BMW,

How about Norm Chow for the Niners?

See four/five posts above. :D

As OC, in a heart beat. The guy is outstanding.

As a HC... Does he want it?

Remember, being a HC in the NFL is a very different job.

Outstanding coaches like Bobb McKittrick and Defensive guru Fritz Shurmer (sp?) looked at HC jobs and said... no way!

I know Chow interviewed for the Stanford job (didn't get it) but I don't know if he wants to go from being a coach to being an exec. and a TV personality. Which is pretty much what being a HC in the NFL is.

Has he said anything to the local press about wanting to move into the hot seat?

Not that I've seen... The Times reports that the Niners are after Carroll, though.

bmwracer wrote:Not that I've seen... The Times reports that the Niners are after Carroll, though.

yeah, but is the cheap bastard gonna want to pay more than $2M/yr, which is what carroll is getting at usc.

he needs to just sell the team to someone who actually cares about football.

BMW,

No, I was quoting you with the "How about Norm Chow?" question.

I just forgot to put it in a box.

The thing about Chow is... he's had the cred and the rep to go after a HC job for years.

He's won every coaching award there is. He was considered the offensive light behind BYU's success for almost 30 years.

But he's never pushed for it. Never hired an agent to get his name into the mix.

I'd love it, but I don't think he's ever really been interested in having his life turned upside down like that.

niko2x wrote:yeah, but is the cheap bastard gonna want to pay more than $2M/yr, which is what carroll is getting at usc?

He said in the press conference that he was willing to pay whatever it takes to bring in a quality coach. But of course "talk is cheap" and it could be just fluff to appease the fans. I'll believe it when I see it....and even then I'll still be skeptical.

heard about the erickson firing, which i'm not at all surprised about. i guess congratulations are in order for 9er fans.


Geez, you're welcome to your opinion about college ball, but i guess i just don't see it the same way that you do.

Geezer wrote:In terms of disparity between the various Universities... remember, the college system is broken up on the basis of competetive level.

that's a great idea - in theory. but not applicable to real life. i can name dozens of universities that are div1 that have never appeared in a bowl game, and probably never will. why? isn't the ncaa 'working' to eliminate disparity in college fball? if so, i've yet to see the results.

Division 1 teams have to meet minimum standards to remain a division 1 team. Size of student body, size of stadium, funds available, scholarships available, etc.

actually, this is the BIGGEST problem. like the nfl, the ncaa should set MAXIMUMs, not minimums. when florida state fields a football team AT rutgers, who's got the bigger team? is this 'equality' in college fball?

The committment varies from school to school, but the colleges do work to limit the disparity between the schools.

i need to hear HOW colleges are 'working to limit disparity'. i know that the hawaii warriors would love to grow as big as usc, but are you saying that miami (fl) is trying to get as small as uh? by giving up scholarships? loaning players? i fully doubt this.

For example, USC doesn't schedule games against... Wagner College on Staten Island.

excellent example. in this case, who's decision is it to not play? usc? or wagner coll? ever wonder why the ncaa doesn't do the scheduling? because i'm very sure it may actually start to create more equality between colleges. if universities were forced to play the teams that the ncaa scheduled for them, and also share tv revenues, etc (like the nfl), there would definitely be more equality between teams.

now, the purposes of my statements were nothing personal vs you, Geez. i hold you in the highest regard. but i just cannot agree that there is any sort of equality among universities in the ncaa (and i'm just referring to div1). i CAN agree that coaching makes a difference in college fb ... but NOT as significant as in the nfl.

it's a catch22 situation in college fb as opposed to the nfl. what if your 9ers went 12-4 in a season, but couldn't play in the playoffs cuz you don't draw enough of a crowd? i don't think any nfl fan would stand for that, yet it occurs EVERY YEAR in college fb when bowl teams are being picked.

pete carroll will never coach for the hawaii warriors. why? hawaii doesn't have enough money to pay him. why? hawaii doesn't play in big money bowl games. why? cuz even if hawaii were 13-0, i'd HIGHLY DOUBT they'd get into a bcs game. and if hawaii went 0-13, do we get a higher draft pick? more scholarships? more funding? weaker schedule?

and bottom line is, in the nfl, if bill bellicheck coached the 9ers, i believe you would have a very good chance of winning the superbowl. even if pete carroll were to coach the hawaii warriors, would we ever become as good as usc and play in the bcs championship?

Personally I expect something pretty splashy from the Niners.

And I think we Niner fans owe a lot of what's gonna happen to Ira Miller of the San Francisco Chronical.

Some people blamed Donahue for the demise of the Niners.

Some focused on the coach.

Many claimed that York's ownership was the real problem. He didn't know what he was doing... and he was cheap

Ira Miller (former president of the Football writers association of America, and 30+ years of writing about the Niners) focused on Denise Debartolo York.

Denise ran the Debartolo Corp after Daddy passed away. (She was always the brains)

Denise took the team from Eddie in a pretty smart business move.

Denise owns the team (John just "runs" it.)

And the one thing every Niner fan knows is... Denise is a very private person, a very camera shy person.

For the last few weeks, Ira has put the blame for the failure of the Niners right at Denise's feet.

Jeez, he's even gone so far as to print her picture in the paper, labeling her as the owner... and the person to blame... 3 different times.

That's the sort of thing that would completely wig Denise out.

And I wouldn't be surprised to hear that that's what got her to say, I don't care what you do, or how much you spend... fix this! And fix it now!

Geezer wrote:"How about Norm Chow?"
But he's never pushed for it. Never hired an agent to get his name into the mix.

Geez, you must mean just the nfl. cuz NC was a candidate for the hc job here in hawaii several years back. (we just couldn't afford him) then, we made the incredibly dismal mistake of hiring fred von oppen. at least we atoned for it by hiring june jones. but i wonder how far norm would've taken us....

jholic wrote:
Geez, you must mean just the nfl. cuz NC was a candidate for the hc job here in hawaii several years back. (we just couldn't afford him) then, we made the incredibly dismal mistake of hiring fred von oppen. at least we atoned for it by hiring june jones. but i wonder how far norm would've taken us....

Aboslutely, I'm talking about the NFL.

As I mentioned, he interviewed for the Stanford job earlier this year.

The thing about Hawaii... first, Edwards made sure Chow was very well paid at BYU.

And second... Hawaii isn't a destination for football coaches or football players because of the time difference.

The large majority of the U.S. population is still east of the Miss.

The majority of the media is on the East Coast.

West Coast teams get almost no play back east, simply because the games are on too late for people to watch them.

Then consider adding the three extra hours for Hawaii.

Coaches and players don't want to go some place where they'll be playing, almost in secret. To a small audience of mostly insomniac fanatics.

Regardless of the money invested by boosters, the players recruited, or the coaches hired... the only way Hawaii would really get some big time serious notice is it they started playing pre dawn games.

Geezer wrote:

the only way Hawaii would really get some big time serious notice is it they started playing pre dawn games.

Add to that, road games for Hawaii (and vice versa) would involve at least a four hour plane ride to the mainland (and that's just for the west coast schools).

eltinator wrote:From what I remember of Pete Carroll he coached New England once before right? Took Bledsoe and company to the superbowl but only to lose to Favre right?...

If memory serves, the Patriots coach at that time was The Tuna.
-PCM

Geezer wrote:
Ira Miller (former president of the Football writers association of America, and 30+ years of writing about the Niners) focused on Denise Debartolo York.
...

For the last few weeks, Ira has put the blame for the failure of the Niners right at Denise's feet.

Jeez, he's even gone so far as to print her picture in the paper, labeling her as the owner... and the person to blame... 3 different times.

...

And I wouldn't be surprised to hear that that's what got her to say, I don't care what you do, or how much you spend... fix this! And fix it now!

GO IRA!!! :woot:
-PCM

ty law got placed on ir. it's gonna be quite difficult for the pats to repeat this year.

Damn!

Seahawks lose to the Rams again, 27-20.

Chargers lose to the Jets in OT, 20-17.

Damn! Damn!

Too bad for the Chargers. Was a great cinderella story. Kinda glad the Rams won their game. I've never liked Seattle and they're pretty crappy for a division winning team.

Tomorrow should have some nice fireworks. Peyton against Plummer and Favre against Culpepper! Yea! :woot:

eltinator wrote:Too bad for the Chargers. Was a great cinderella story.

Oh man, they got a reprieve at the end of regulation to tie it up, but they couldn't cash it in in OT. Sad.

BTW, Marty was picked AP Coach of the Year as I predicted. :)

bmwracer wrote:
Oh man, they got a reprieve at the end of regulation to tie it up, but they couldn't cash it in in OT. Sad.

BTW, Marty was picked AP Coach of the Year as I predicted. :)

Yea good for him! :applaud:

I went out so I missed the game. Hopefully they'll be back next year. I want to see what they do about their QB situation. It'd be hard to let Brees go and you can't pay Rivers 5mil a year to sit on the bench either...

Jets lucky 2 win in OT thanks to da miss field goal by da chargers, I'd predicated that da guy was gunna kick it 2 the right :woot:

2morrow got good games 2 watch....but i dunno which one i wanna watch more...but from wat i heard, Denver doesn't stand a chance.

My predictions, Colts gunna own denver :victory: and da CHeeseheads gunna come out on top by like a touchdown or 2 :thumbsup: