American Football (NFL, College, etc.)

you really won't see the pats and steelers stopping the colts offense or some other offenses OR colts defense stopping any offense for that matter..doesn't mean they aren't championship teams....this is of course all on paper...what goes on on the field is different...and also..i believe nfl should switch to the college OT rule because it gives both teams an opportunity to utilize their strengths.

What exactly is the college OT rule? Sorry, I don't watch much college football :sweat:

eltinator wrote:What exactly is the college OT rule? Sorry, I don't watch much college football :sweat:

Each team gets the ball in the red zone and they try to score a TD or a FG... Whoever outscores the other wins the game...

bmwracer wrote:
Each team gets the ball in the red zone and they try to score a TD or a FG... Whoever outscores the other wins the game...

That sounds interesting, but if da NFL does due that, da colts would score almost everytime den right?

bmwracer wrote:
Each team gets the ball in the red zone and they try to score a TD or a FG... Whoever outscores the other wins the game...

Ohhhh I see. So it's similar to a hockey shoot out then right. Hmm... I think I prefer the current NFL rule.

bmwracer wrote:As the saying goes, championship-winning teams have great defenses, and if you can't stop a team from scoring in sudden death, you're not a championship-caliber team...

it's a very old saying. besides the ravens and patriots, many of the recent superbowls have been won with great offenses - 49ers, packers, broncos, rams, etc. if that saying were true, the best defenses every year would be in the superbowl or the championship game.


yes, the college rule says that both teams get a chance to score before it's over. if both teams did not score, then you give them both a chance again.

i'll have to find where i read about the nfl statistics. here are three interesting articles i found with google:

-a pro/con article about changing the nfl OT rule (usatoday)
i personally felt the article was a little 'pro-' biased, even if i'm for changing the rule...

-research paper written in 2002
In the 2002 season of the National Football League, a large number of games were decided in overtime--and the team winning the opening coin flip won most. While this sounds reasonable for a "sudden death" overtime rule, are these excess wins statistically significant? The binomial distribution and statistical hypothesis testing are developed by analogy to flipping a coin, with the results used to examine the NFL overtime results. The analysis finds with 99.99% certainty that the flip does make a difference in the outcome of the game over the last ten years, but for the period prior to those ten years, the coin flip cannot be shown to be important.

-espn article by john clayton
states that overall, statistics say it's about 50-50, but starting to increase.

Thanks, jholic, for sharing. I still need to go through the research paper to see the data/analysis. As a side note, I must applaud him for doing the extensive research on the NFL. That must have been one awesome project.

doch: ain't it the truth? i should've done my research papers on the nfl as well!! probably would've gotten a's instead of f's! ha!

jholic wrote:
it's a very old saying. besides the ravens and patriots, many of the recent superbowls have been won with great offenses - 49ers, packers, broncos, rams, etc. if that saying were true, the best defenses every year would be in the superbowl or the championship game.

Well, in the pre-salary cap era, a well balanced (complete) team sure made it easier. Incomplete teams usually had their weakenesses exposed during the playoffs.

Because of their offensive innovation and stars during the 1981-1994 era, most people forget that in each Superbowl season ('81, '84, '88, '89, '94), the 49ers had some impressive defensive teams.

1981 - 1989... Two words: Ronnie Lott. :bow:

The 1994 49ers had ridiculously good defense.

DEFENSIVE LINE: They had youthful versions of Bryant Young and Dana Stubblefield, were who back-to-back Defensive Rookies of the Year - I think that year the 49ers allowed a league best only 60 yards rushing per game.

DEFENSIVE BACKS: Deion Sanders joined the 49ers early in the season too, to play cornerback. Merton Hanks was free safety, who Troy Aikman back then called him the best free safety he ever played against. Tim McDonald played strong safety, hard hitting. McDonald, Hanks, and Sanders were all voted to the Pro Bowl that year.


Contrast 1994 to 2004. :doh::mecry:
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PC

Happy to contrast the 1984 Niners to the 1994 Niners.

2004? 2004? I don't remember... did the NFL play in 2004?

Oh, the old saying; Offense sells tickets, Defense wins Championships.

pcmodem wrote:

Well, in the pre-salary cap era, a well balanced (complete) team sure made it easier. Incomplete teams usually had their weakenesses exposed during the playoffs.

Because of their offensive innovation and stars during the 1981-1994 era, most people forget that in each Superbowl season ('81, '84, '88, '89, '94), the 49ers had some impressive defensive teams.

1981 - 1989... Two words: Ronnie Lott. :bow:

The 1994 49ers had ridiculously good defense.

DEFENSIVE LINE: They had youthful versions of Bryant Young and Dana Stubblefield, were who back-to-back Defensive Rookies of the Year - I think that year the 49ers allowed a league best only 60 yards rushing per game.

DEFENSIVE BACKS: Deion Sanders joined the 49ers early in the season too, to play cornerback. Merton Hanks was free safety, who Troy Aikman back then called him the best free safety he ever played against. Tim McDonald played strong safety, hard hitting. McDonald, Hanks, and Sanders were all voted to the Pro Bowl that year.


Contrast 1994 to 2004. :doh::mecry:

-PCM

I remember watching the 49ers ever game they played in 94, but sadly i only remember Deion Sanders, Bryant Young, and Dana for defense, dun remember if Ken Norton Jr was still playing......i think he was. I'll have to look up Merton Hanks and Tim McDonald to refresh my memory of who they are.

Merton Hanks was awesome! He had the cool chicken dance too! :hehe: :hehe:

Didn't the 49ers also feature Eric Allen before? He was a pro bowler as well.

i think he was. I'll have to look up Merton Hanks and Tim McDonald to refresh my memory of who they are.

Oh my. I hear the You know you're too old when... thread calling me.

For me, those are the new guys.

I have no problem picturing the '81 defense with:

Jim Stuckey, Archie Reese and Dwaine (PeeWee) Board on the line. (With Fred Dean coming in on passing downs)

Willie Harper, Hacksaw Reynolds, Craig Puki and a youngster named Keena Turner at linebacker.

And that amazing secondary with Ronnie Lott and Eric Wright at corner, and CArlton WIlliamson and Dwight Hicks at safety.

And while I'm thinking about it, the offense was:

Joe Montana at QB
Dwight Clark, Freddie Solomon, Mike Shuman, and Mike Wilson at WR
Charlie Young at TE.
Lenvil Elliott at TB and Earl Cooper at FB
and my favorites, the offensive line:
Dan Audick, John Ayers, Fred Quillan, Randy Cross, Keith Fahnhorst

What a team!

Almost as good as '84.

Don't worry. I won't name them. (But I could.) (Have I mentioned I"m very old?)

Geezer wrote:

i think he was. I'll have to look up Merton Hanks and Tim McDonald to refresh my memory of who they are.

Oh my. I hear the You know you're too old when... thread calling me.

For me, those are the new guys.

I have no problem picturing the '81 defense with:
...

And while I'm thinking about it, the offense was:
...

Don't worry. I won't name them. (But I could.) (Have I mentioned I"m very old?)

I'm with you... I could name the players on those teams... but I didn't want to fill up the entire page with a single bulletin posting. Would rather space it out. Savor it. :woot:

Honestly... when I look back at the 1979-1996 (Bill Walsh - George Seifert) era, it's such a beautiful memory. :)



Here's to The Good Old Days. :drink:
-PCM

That Vanderjagt from the Colts is hilarious. Or maybe I should refer to him as "Vanderjerk" :hehe: :hehe: :hehe:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs04/news/story?id=1964813

pcmodem wrote:Honestly... when I look back at the 1979-1996 (Bill Walsh - George Seifert) era, it's such a beautiful memory. :)



Here's to The Good Old Days. :drink:

Yup.

Long live "The Catch" :applaud: :woot: :applaud:

Vanderjagt cracks me up.

And the funniest part is Manning going after him in the media. Twice!

It'll probably jinx it, but boy I hope the Pats kick the snot out of the Colts.

I'm not sure why. I've been a Tony Dungy fan since he was with the Niners. And I really like a few of their players.

It's probably just that I've disliked Manning ever since the media crowned him the greatest QB that ever lived, back when he was a soph in college.

That sort of thing always rubs me the wrong way.

Geezer wrote:
I'm not sure why. I've been a Tony Dungy fan since he was with the Niners. And I really like a few of their players.

I'll give yaz a few reasons to like Tony Dungy, and more:

1. Eloquent
2. Hard working
3. Straight forward
4. One of the best defensive minds in the NFL
5. Played for the 49ers in the 1979 season
6. A class act


A role model all around. :applaud:
-PCM

PC

As I said. Dungy's not my problem.

In fact, with Dungy there, I would have thought I'd like the Colts.

But so far, the most fun I've had watching the Colts play was watching the Pats take them apart last year.

If the Pats can find a way to pressure Manning up the middle, this might be a fun game to watch. If not, I guess I'll just have to pin my hopes on the Steelers.

Geezer wrote:PC

As I said. Dungy's not my problem.

In fact, with Dungy there, I would have thought I'd like the Colts.

But so far, the most fun I've had watching the Colts play was watching the Pats take them apart last year.

If the Pats can find a way to pressure Manning up the middle, this might be a fun game to watch. If not, I guess I'll just have to pin my hopes on the Steelers.

I keep thinking about this game and the match up and I'm really interested to see what Belichick will do with Manning. Both their starting corners are on IR! I probably wouldn't be too surprised to see the safetys come up and the corners drop back like what they did last year but ultimately it's going to really come down to the pass rush and how much pressure they can put on Manning. Maybe trying rushing 7 or 8 and force Manning to leave the pocket where he's much less effective. It's going to be a good game nonetheless. And I hope Vanderjerk gets one of his kicks blocked :hehe: :hehe: :hehe: