Well there you guys have it, your future in Alex Smith. I was kinda surprised to see Rodgers fall so far down and if the Raiders didn't have that CB problem, I would have wanted them to draft him! But oh well, now the question I have is, is drafting Alex Smith really that good of a choice? I've never believed in the NFL draft, but word on ESPN was that Smith and Rodgers weren't the best players in the draft but the 49ers wanted a QB nontheless. Anyways, let's go Fabian Washington! :woot:
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Started by Geezer · 17 Aug 2004 · 4,773 replies
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The problem is the Niners need so many positions. But one thing that was glaring was the offense, or lack of it. But I don't think Smith will have an impact year next year (should he start over Rattay). This rebuilding process could take years to complete. Heck I don't even know if we are out of "salary cap hell".
dochira wrote:The problem is the Niners need so many positions. But one thing that was glaring was the offense, or lack of it. But I don't think Smith will have an impact year next year (should he start over Rattay). This rebuilding process could take years to complete. Heck I don't even know if we are out of "salary cap hell".
Not sure where I read this, but I think ESPN had the salaries of NFL teams and the 49ers certainly are not in "salray cap hell" anymore. I think they're around the limit, but much better off than the Raiders in terms of money. However, that doesn't mean that the 49ers owner will go out and spend big bucks though :sweat:
regarding timmy and the draft? well, i was disappointed ... that only ONE guy was willing to take my bet that he wasn't gonna get drafted. shucks, i thought i could get more than just one plate lunch.
if you read through this thread, i made it clear what my opinion on timmy was.
is he going to get picked up as a free agent anywhere? probably.
will he last in the nfl if he is? nope.
why not, he's the ncaa all-time passing leader? so what, he's not a good QUARTERBACK.
and i guess they weren't. i certainly hope he makes it in the nfl (or another league) as a free agent. cuz if he doesn't, flunking his classes and barely being able to pass his classes (even though his father's a high school principal), just might come back to haunt him.
let's turn our attention to someone who's worthy of mention:
JACKSONVILLE JAGUARS: SIXTH ROUND PICK, BABY!!
very happy for him. he's going to be fighting an uphill battle, but i think he's got a shot. i know he'll do us proud, but unfortunately, when you're messing with guys the size of those mammoths in the nfl, don't know how chad's gonna do.
EDIT: someone just told me chang signed as a free agent with the cardinals. dennis green's a good coach. maybe he can bring something out of timmy.
if you read through this thread, i made it clear what my opinion on timmy was.
is he going to get picked up as a free agent anywhere? probably.
will he last in the nfl if he is? nope.
why not, he's the ncaa all-time passing leader? so what, he's not a good QUARTERBACK.
jholic wrote:the nfl scouts are meticulous and if they review the tapes, i find it difficult to believe that they will be impressed.
and i guess they weren't. i certainly hope he makes it in the nfl (or another league) as a free agent. cuz if he doesn't, flunking his classes and barely being able to pass his classes (even though his father's a high school principal), just might come back to haunt him.
let's turn our attention to someone who's worthy of mention:
jholic wrote:wanna know who i think is going in the nfl (from the warriors)? chad owens. 'mighty mouse' is the real deal. in a special teams that STUNK last year, he was able to make dazzling punt returns. as a receiver, he's extremely difficult to cover in the slot.
JACKSONVILLE JAGUARS: SIXTH ROUND PICK, BABY!!
very happy for him. he's going to be fighting an uphill battle, but i think he's got a shot. i know he'll do us proud, but unfortunately, when you're messing with guys the size of those mammoths in the nfl, don't know how chad's gonna do.
EDIT: someone just told me chang signed as a free agent with the cardinals. dennis green's a good coach. maybe he can bring something out of timmy.
could someone explain how rodgers fell so far??? :crazy:
i watched the guy play, and he was GREAT! i think the packers got a steal. i read a few articles, but it still didn't make it clear why he was drafted so far down. many of the teams in-between had young qb's already, but still.
when i heard he was #24, i was astonished. but, at least he'll be learning from favre - one of the greatest qb's ever.
i watched the guy play, and he was GREAT! i think the packers got a steal. i read a few articles, but it still didn't make it clear why he was drafted so far down. many of the teams in-between had young qb's already, but still.
when i heard he was #24, i was astonished. but, at least he'll be learning from favre - one of the greatest qb's ever.
Based on what I was hearing, it was either the Niners were going to draft him #1 or he was going to fall. He wasn't going to be #2 for sure. But it also surprised me that he fell to #24, and I felt bad for the guy waiting for his name to be called. Now it makes me wonder, had the Niners picked Rodgers #1, would Smith have fallen as much? And, knowing that the other teams weren't clamoring for the QBs (apparently), could the Niners have traded their #1 pick, and still have gotten Smith (or Rodgers) and more?
dochira wrote:And, knowing that the other teams weren't clamoring for the QBs (apparently), could the Niners have traded their #1 pick, and still have gotten Smith (or Rodgers) and more?
wow! good questions! i think the problem was really who was willing to take that pick and give up stuff. i don't think anyone was. how about maurice clarrett being picked by denver!?
jholic wrote:EDIT: someone just told me chang signed as a free agent with the cardinals. dennis green's a good coach. maybe he can bring something out of timmy.yep. Read it HERE
Cardinals sign undrafted Hawaii QB
TEMPE, Ariz. (AP) -- Former Hawaii quarterback Timmy Chang signed with the Arizona Cardinals on Monday after failing to be selected in the seven rounds of the National Football League draft over the weekend.
The record-breaking Saint Louis School graduate was one of several undrafted rookies signed, along with cornerback Aaron Francisco of BYU, a Kahuku High School graduate........
I'm a big Rodgers fan... but I never thought he was first pick value.
He fell into a great situation with the packers. It's a playoff calibur team, and he won't have to play for a season or two... and that's the best way for a QB to break into the league.
Smith wasn't the outstanding player, or the best athlete in this draft. But the Niners, and a lot of other people thought he was the best QB in this draft... and the Niners decided they needed a QB.
The old rule about building a football team is:
First you get a QB.
Second you get someone to protect that QB.
Third you get someone to knock the stuffing out of the other team's QB.
The Niners followed the old school rules this year, and I'm over the moon about this draft.
Smith will take his lumps in a serious way next season. Sort of the way Aikman, and Elway, and Carr, were nearly beaten to death in their first years. But if he lives, he should be pretty good. (Its a shame we don't have an established starter for Smith to learn from.)
The important thing was, after getting Smith, the team was finally bright enough to get some guys who can protect him. Baas and Snyder are talented, and huge offensive linemen. Added to the guys we have now, and this offensive line could be pretty darned good in a year or two.
And the running back, Frank Gore is a good gamble. Kevan Barlow hasn't shown that he'll ever be anything but an occasional flash. But if Gore's knees hold up, he could really be something.
I'm expecting the Niner offense to be a matter of run... run... and oh yeah, a bit more running for the next two years or so.
He fell into a great situation with the packers. It's a playoff calibur team, and he won't have to play for a season or two... and that's the best way for a QB to break into the league.
Smith wasn't the outstanding player, or the best athlete in this draft. But the Niners, and a lot of other people thought he was the best QB in this draft... and the Niners decided they needed a QB.
The old rule about building a football team is:
First you get a QB.
Second you get someone to protect that QB.
Third you get someone to knock the stuffing out of the other team's QB.
The Niners followed the old school rules this year, and I'm over the moon about this draft.
Smith will take his lumps in a serious way next season. Sort of the way Aikman, and Elway, and Carr, were nearly beaten to death in their first years. But if he lives, he should be pretty good. (Its a shame we don't have an established starter for Smith to learn from.)
The important thing was, after getting Smith, the team was finally bright enough to get some guys who can protect him. Baas and Snyder are talented, and huge offensive linemen. Added to the guys we have now, and this offensive line could be pretty darned good in a year or two.
And the running back, Frank Gore is a good gamble. Kevan Barlow hasn't shown that he'll ever be anything but an occasional flash. But if Gore's knees hold up, he could really be something.
I'm expecting the Niner offense to be a matter of run... run... and oh yeah, a bit more running for the next two years or so.
jholic wrote:could someone explain how rodgers fell so far??? :crazy:i guess it was just a case of teams addressing needs instead of "Best player available".
i watched the guy play, and he was GREAT! i think the packers got a steal. i read a few articles, but it still didn't make it clear why he was drafted so far down. many of the teams in-between had young qb's already, but still.
jholic
Well, Clevland came next and they went with the top reciever in this year's draft. Then they got Charlie Frye later on. Which they could afford to do since they'd picked up Trent Dilfer (another Tedford QB) in free agency.
Tampa? I thought Tampa was a possibility, but they've invested so much money in all the QBs Gruden has signed lately, they had to go running back.
Arizona probably should have taken him, but Denny Green jumped at the Miami corner Rolle.
If you check the list, the teams between the first pick and the 24th, where Rodgers went, are all pretty well stocked at QB.
could someone explain how rodgers fell so far???
Well, Clevland came next and they went with the top reciever in this year's draft. Then they got Charlie Frye later on. Which they could afford to do since they'd picked up Trent Dilfer (another Tedford QB) in free agency.
Tampa? I thought Tampa was a possibility, but they've invested so much money in all the QBs Gruden has signed lately, they had to go running back.
Arizona probably should have taken him, but Denny Green jumped at the Miami corner Rolle.
If you check the list, the teams between the first pick and the 24th, where Rodgers went, are all pretty well stocked at QB.
Wow so the 2 QBs were rated that low? I know ESPN was talking about mock drafts and instead of saying who will be number one, they were saying who had the best talent since obviously the 49ers weren't going to choose one of the WR or RB, but is it really worth the risk of shooting your team in the foot that way?
Maybe it's just me but I would have gone with the best available talent, maybe cadillac williams or something, then build my team there. RB have the easiest time IMO to adjust to the NFL, and who knows, maybe you're RB will become another LT. Or at least get the best player out there and trade him for something else. I've never believed in the draft, especially when a guy called Brady came out of the 5th round, and a guy called Montana came out of the 3rd round so forcing yourself to pick a QB with the number 1 overall pick isn't much better than picking a QB in the 2nd or 3rd round.
Maybe it's just me but I would have gone with the best available talent, maybe cadillac williams or something, then build my team there. RB have the easiest time IMO to adjust to the NFL, and who knows, maybe you're RB will become another LT. Or at least get the best player out there and trade him for something else. I've never believed in the draft, especially when a guy called Brady came out of the 5th round, and a guy called Montana came out of the 3rd round so forcing yourself to pick a QB with the number 1 overall pick isn't much better than picking a QB in the 2nd or 3rd round.
Man, I'm glad we don't have team down here... Too much stressing out. :beaten: :banghead:
bmwracer wrote:Man, I'm glad we don't have team down here... Too much stressing out. :beaten: :banghead:
Hahaha, well you guys got 2 basketball teams :hehe: :hehe:
eltinator wrote:Hahaha, well you guys got 2 basketball teams :hehe: :hehe:
At this point in time, that's nothing to brag about.... :bleh:
Elt,
I believe the only way to build a great team is through the draft.
You can put on the finishing touches by adding that last piece of the puzzle though free agency. But drafting well, and developing your team is, I think, the best way to go about it.
What I don't believe in are the talking heads on ESPN, or at FOX who announce who the best players are. Who the best athletes are. And who should be taken in the first, second, or 7th rounds.
They don't know. They have their opinions. But you do know the old saying about everyone and their opinions, don't you?
Don't dismiss the draft, man. Dismiss the TV boys who do all that yaking, and the magazine gurus who write up all those mock drafts. They mean about as much as a rat's fart in a high wind.
I believe the only way to build a great team is through the draft.
You can put on the finishing touches by adding that last piece of the puzzle though free agency. But drafting well, and developing your team is, I think, the best way to go about it.
What I don't believe in are the talking heads on ESPN, or at FOX who announce who the best players are. Who the best athletes are. And who should be taken in the first, second, or 7th rounds.
They don't know. They have their opinions. But you do know the old saying about everyone and their opinions, don't you?
Don't dismiss the draft, man. Dismiss the TV boys who do all that yaking, and the magazine gurus who write up all those mock drafts. They mean about as much as a rat's fart in a high wind.
Hahahaha...
Less than a year later, T.O. wore out his welcome in Philly:
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-eagles-owens&prov=ap&type=lgns
TGIF!
-PCM
Less than a year later, T.O. wore out his welcome in Philly:
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-eagles-owens&prov=ap&type=lgns
TGIF!
-PCM
pcmodem wrote:Hahahaha...
Less than a year later, T.O. wore out his welcome in Philly:
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-eagles-owens&prov=ap&type=lgns
TGIF!
-PCM
AHAHAH that fast eh? Had they won it all, I think philly will still be all hunky dory but too bad they lost. I'm seriously counting the days TO returns to the bay area, of course this time as a Raider :hehe: :hehe: I don't think there is another team willing to take him. Could a Woodson for TO swap be in the making? :mrgreen:
Okay, this isn't funny.
Really, not funny at all.
(Okay, it's a little funny, but then, I'm sort of twisted.)
Remember Kellen Winslow. The next GREAT TE? The putz who bellowed that he was a warrior, a "SOLDIER, out on that field, just as U.S. troops were actually going into combat.
The first round draft choice who was going to save Cleveland... but who tore up his knee and missed his whole rookie season?
And now... hospitalized because he caught a curb, DOING 35 ON A MOTORCYCLE IN A PARKINGLOT!!! (Sorry, but if you're doing 35 on a bike in a parking lot you're just too damned dumb to live.)
Jeez! Talk about being dumb enough to be a Raider.
One guy not dumb enough is Konrad, the fullback the Raiders picked up from the Dolphins. He's decided to retire.
I always felt bad for Konrad. He was a big running back, not a blocking fullback. But Miami kept making promises to him about the way they'd use him... and then when it came to the games, they just kept putting him back in the blocking role.
So he finally gets a chance to go to Oakland, and Bam-o! The Raiders get Lamont Jordan, and Konrad is back to being a blocker.
Really, not funny at all.
(Okay, it's a little funny, but then, I'm sort of twisted.)
The Associated Press reports Cleveland Browns TE Kellen Winslow Jr. was injured in a motorcycle accident Sunday, May 1, when he was driving around a community college parking lot and hit the curb at 35 mph and was thrown from the vehicle. While the team said the injuries are not life threatening, Winslow was scheduled to be transferred to the Cleveland Clinic Monday, May 2, where their medical staff would treat him after his hospital stay.
Remember Kellen Winslow. The next GREAT TE? The putz who bellowed that he was a warrior, a "SOLDIER, out on that field, just as U.S. troops were actually going into combat.
The first round draft choice who was going to save Cleveland... but who tore up his knee and missed his whole rookie season?
And now... hospitalized because he caught a curb, DOING 35 ON A MOTORCYCLE IN A PARKINGLOT!!! (Sorry, but if you're doing 35 on a bike in a parking lot you're just too damned dumb to live.)
Jeez! Talk about being dumb enough to be a Raider.
One guy not dumb enough is Konrad, the fullback the Raiders picked up from the Dolphins. He's decided to retire.
I always felt bad for Konrad. He was a big running back, not a blocking fullback. But Miami kept making promises to him about the way they'd use him... and then when it came to the games, they just kept putting him back in the blocking role.
So he finally gets a chance to go to Oakland, and Bam-o! The Raiders get Lamont Jordan, and Konrad is back to being a blocker.
At least he wore his helmet. Or did he? :headscratch:
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