bah..why couldn't they trade em to the 49ers....a 1st round pick and napolean harris?...cmon..the 49ers can make a better offer than that
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Started by Geezer · 17 Aug 2004 · 4,773 replies
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FusilliBernie wrote:bah..why couldn't they trade em to the 49ers....a 1st round pick and napolean harris?...cmon..the 49ers can make a better offer than that
yea but would the 49ers really want to contain Moss' attitude? Only a few teams would want a guy like that. The bad boy Raiders are one :hehe: :hehe:
Geezer wrote:Well, you knew that was coming.
Well, I did bring that up about a month ago, but you guys poo-pooed it...
The Raiders are turning into an NFL sideshow. :beaten: :hehe:
bmwracer wrote:
Well, I did bring that up about a month ago, but you guys poo-pooed it...
The Raiders are turning into an NFL sideshow. :beaten: :hehe:
Yea I remember that. I was looking forward to it too and it actually happened! :woot: :woot: :dancing:
FusilliBernie
Moss will probably be a great fit for the Raiders.
But for the Niners, it would just be a question of revisiting a nightmare.
Personally I've had enough of receivers with bloated egos who think they are the most, and only, important part of the team.
Besides... I don't think we could have done better than the Raiders offer.
Harris is gonna be major player, and the #7 pick in the first, ain't hay.
Moss will probably be a great fit for the Raiders.
But for the Niners, it would just be a question of revisiting a nightmare.
Personally I've had enough of receivers with bloated egos who think they are the most, and only, important part of the team.
Besides... I don't think we could have done better than the Raiders offer.
Harris is gonna be major player, and the #7 pick in the first, ain't hay.
eltinator wrote:I'm so psyched right now. Especially since the Raiders didn't have to give up Woodson or Porter to get Moss! Damn, Moss and Porter at the wideouts and then Curry in the slot. Very nice! :victory:
all you guys need is a qb now. want bledsoe? we just got 'em.
i'm already hating this offseason.
jholic wrote:all you guys need is a qb now. want bledsoe? we just got 'em.
You're talking about the Plowboys, er, Cowboys, right?
jholic wrote:
all you guys need is a qb now. want bledsoe? we just got 'em.
i'm already hating this offseason.
who got bledsoe? Well, I'm fine with Collins, especially with Moss as his new target :mrgreen:
Man, I don't envy the Raiders Collins, or the Cowboys Bledsoe.
And that's coming from a guy who has absolutely no idea who'll be QBing his team next year.
And that's coming from a guy who has absolutely no idea who'll be QBing his team next year.
Geezer wrote:FusilliBernie
Moss will probably be a great fit for the Raiders.
But for the Niners, it would just be a question of revisiting a nightmare.
Personally I've had enough of receivers with bloated egos who think they are the most, and only, important part of the team.
Besides... I don't think we could have done better than the Raiders offer.
Harris is gonna be major player, and the #7 pick in the first, ain't hay.
yeah..i know all about the attitude thing...but seriously...can you name one person on the 49ers who has super star status? Tony Parrish never had it...Barlow never got it....Peterson is almost at that level but got injured so he's a question...Even the Miami Dolphins and Arizona Cardinals has a super star
oh well....maybe we can pick up an RFA ... i can't imagine an URFA wanting to come to San Fran
FusilliBernie wrote:
yeah..i know all about the attitude thing...but seriously...can you name one person on the 49ers who has super star status? Tony Parrish never had it...Barlow never got it....Peterson is almost at that level but got injured so he's a question...Even the Miami Dolphins and Arizona Cardinals has a super star
Hmmm.
So then what were you talking about when you said;
bah..why couldn't they trade em to the 49ers....a 1st round pick and napolean harris?...cmon..the 49ers can make a better offer than that
If the Niners have noone of interest... then how could they make a better offer than the one the Raiders made?
Can Napolean Harris really be considered a good player? Let's take a look.
As a rookie, he had 81 tackles, 0.5 sacks, and 2 PD. Not bad for a rookie.
2nd year. 110 tackles, 2.0 sacks, 3 FF, and 2 PD. A lot better this year. Let's see if he can continue the trend
3rd year. 61 tackls, 0.0 sacks, 1 PD
Man...I wouldn't want that. If it were his second year, I wouldn't complain that much. But take a look at SF's starting OLB stats and you're not telling me that's better than Napolean Harris. Please note on what I said. "Super Star Status." I didn't say the Niners had no good players.
As a rookie, he had 81 tackles, 0.5 sacks, and 2 PD. Not bad for a rookie.
2nd year. 110 tackles, 2.0 sacks, 3 FF, and 2 PD. A lot better this year. Let's see if he can continue the trend
3rd year. 61 tackls, 0.0 sacks, 1 PD
Man...I wouldn't want that. If it were his second year, I wouldn't complain that much. But take a look at SF's starting OLB stats and you're not telling me that's better than Napolean Harris. Please note on what I said. "Super Star Status." I didn't say the Niners had no good players.
FusilliBernie
First, you can't compare LB stats from team to team and think you're getting a realistic comparison of players.
This ain't baseball.
Defensive stats; Tackles, solo and assists, PDs etc. are kept by the individual teams, and are almost arbitrary. No one from the league checks them. Actually the only defensive stats the league reviews are the sacks and the ints.
Second, yes, Harris is gonna be a defensive star. Watch.
Would I trade any of the Niners starting LBs for Harris? You bet. Winborn is good, but injury prone, and now he's playing with a neck fusion. That's gonna effect him in the long run. Peterson? Ruptured achilles tendon. Noone knows when or if he'll ever recover fully. Smith? Servicable. Not in Harris's league. Ulbrich? Solid. But again, not in Harris's league.
My point. The Niners do not have a Superstar.
So how were they going to make a better offer for Moss?
First, you can't compare LB stats from team to team and think you're getting a realistic comparison of players.
This ain't baseball.
Defensive stats; Tackles, solo and assists, PDs etc. are kept by the individual teams, and are almost arbitrary. No one from the league checks them. Actually the only defensive stats the league reviews are the sacks and the ints.
Second, yes, Harris is gonna be a defensive star. Watch.
Would I trade any of the Niners starting LBs for Harris? You bet. Winborn is good, but injury prone, and now he's playing with a neck fusion. That's gonna effect him in the long run. Peterson? Ruptured achilles tendon. Noone knows when or if he'll ever recover fully. Smith? Servicable. Not in Harris's league. Ulbrich? Solid. But again, not in Harris's league.
My point. The Niners do not have a Superstar.
So how were they going to make a better offer for Moss?
I know this ain't baseball but when you see a LB drop 50 tackles in one year. That's a stat. Now I know these stats don't tell you where the LB got the tackle, but 50 tackles is a significant difference. It doesn't matter whether the league checks solo or assisted tackles, bottom line is that he's inconsistent. Besides, are Minnesota Vikings really going to start Harris? I doubt it. They already have a future in Donterrius Thomas and Chris Claiborne is doing a decent job as a cover back and has a few good years left in him. Don't take this as Raider Hate or dislike towards Napolean Harris. I actually like Harris but I do not believe he is of superstar status. Superstar status is a LeVar Arrington combination of size and speed, who has the ability to single-handedly make great plays. I see the combination, that's it.
On a final note, I believe 49ers could have made an equal, maybe better trade that would be equivalent to franchise suicide.
My point also. the Niners have no superstar.
On a final note, I believe 49ers could have made an equal, maybe better trade that would be equivalent to franchise suicide.
My point also. the Niners have no superstar.
Geezer wrote:Defensive stats; Tackles, solo and assists, PDs etc. are kept by the individual teams, and are almost arbitrary. No one from the league checks them. Actually the only defensive stats the league reviews are the sacks and the ints.
pretty interesting, Geez. i had no idea.
FusilliBernie wrote:
My point also. the Niners have no superstar.
Whaddaya mean!
The 49ers have Montana, Craig, Rice, Young, Lott, Williamson, Hicks, Wright... :woot:
Oh, wait, you mean the 2004-2005 49ers. :doh: :mecry:
-PCM
Just on the reply to Napolean Harris. Yes his total tackles went down significantly but also remember that he was injured for the first 4 games of the season and it took him a while to get into shape. If you like stats, take the 9 starts he had and divide it into the total tackles. 60/9= 6.6 tackles a game. Now take his 109 tackle season where he started all 16 games and divide them and you get 6.8 tackles. Roughly the same numbers...
Not that I'm defending Harris, I think he's a good player, not great but has some potential though. I still would give him up to get a play maker like Moss though. But also on top of the stats is the fact that Harris got switched to outside linebacker since Danny Clarks emergence. Harris is by nature a middle linebacker so that also plays a part in how he plays.
Not that I'm defending Harris, I think he's a good player, not great but has some potential though. I still would give him up to get a play maker like Moss though. But also on top of the stats is the fact that Harris got switched to outside linebacker since Danny Clarks emergence. Harris is by nature a middle linebacker so that also plays a part in how he plays.
And Whiting is officially released by the 49ers.
Interesting because why?
Because Whiting is the player the Niners got in the Owens deal. The player.
He played in 5 games for the Niners, tore his ACL... and now he's gone.
The end.
Wow, has it been a bad few years.
But things are looking up.
Donahue is gone. Erickson is gone. Garcia is gone.
Sometimes addition by subtraction is a very good thing.
Interesting because why?
Because Whiting is the player the Niners got in the Owens deal. The player.
He played in 5 games for the Niners, tore his ACL... and now he's gone.
The end.
Wow, has it been a bad few years.
But things are looking up.
Donahue is gone. Erickson is gone. Garcia is gone.
Sometimes addition by subtraction is a very good thing.
Here's a nice sign for the 49ers future.
According to John Clayton over at ESPN, the Niners are so interested in signing Bills Offensive Left Tackle Jonas Jennings -- http://www.buffalobills.com/team/player.jsp?player_id=33941 -- they've convinced him to fly out to Santa Clara today, and are willing to consider paying up to 5 mil a year to sign him.
It's not a done deal, and Jennings will probably visit a couple of other teamsbefore he decides to sign anywhere.
But at least it makes it clear that the new 49er brain trust understands that rebuilding the o-line is THE priority.
According to John Clayton over at ESPN, the Niners are so interested in signing Bills Offensive Left Tackle Jonas Jennings -- http://www.buffalobills.com/team/player.jsp?player_id=33941 -- they've convinced him to fly out to Santa Clara today, and are willing to consider paying up to 5 mil a year to sign him.
It's not a done deal, and Jennings will probably visit a couple of other teamsbefore he decides to sign anywhere.
But at least it makes it clear that the new 49er brain trust understands that rebuilding the o-line is THE priority.
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