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The Man wrote:HHahah. Uh, let's qualify that, jholic. Kahuku might be one of the best high school for football . . . but, I don't think it's one THE top high schools in all the west coast, right?

nope, wasn't a misprint. chalk one up for kamaaina pride, Man.

in the late 90s, st louis ranked as high as in the top5 (west region) in some high school polls. eventually, kahuku gained on them, and eventually defeated them. (oia, baby!)

take a look at one link:
http://tonybianco.com/high_school_football.htm

navigate to the final 2004 poll for the west region, and you'll see kahuku listed at #14. FOURTEEN in the west region. i think there are about 50 hs's in hawaii alone. keep in mind that this is one of their weak seasons. they didn't even win the championship.

i remember a few years ago, two VERY good teams from cali came down to play the crusaders and the red raiders. del salle or lasalle? played st louis, and soundly spanked them. the other team played kahuku and got TROUNCED. the coach on the other team was wondering why kahuku wasn't getting national attention.

i love jj, and i love kahuku too. hopefully, they can put their differences aside so we can have a win-win situation.

Bombastic: i loved the ameriquest ones too. those were some great commercials.

i also agree that they were a little too hard on the PC in this year's commercials. many companies didn't even air their ads. budweiser had a great one (i think on their website) that was rejected.

ironically, SB tv ratings have soared in recent years, and i attribute a lot of it due to the creativity of commercials. (you can't tell me that millions of people just SUDDENLY desired watching american football.) but if they keep censoring commercials in the superbowl, i wouldn't be surprised if ratings actually start to fall.

jholic wrote:
nope, wasn't a misprint. chalk one up for kamaaina pride, Man.

in the late 90s, st louis ranked as high as in the top5 (west region) in some high school polls. eventually, kahuku gained on them, and eventually defeated them. (oia, baby!)

take a look at one link:
http://tonybianco.com/high_school_football.htm

navigate to the final 2004 poll for the west region, and you'll see kahuku listed at #14. FOURTEEN in the west region. i think there are about 50 hs's in hawaii alone. keep in mind that this is one of their weak seasons. they didn't even win the championship.

i remember a few years ago, two VERY good teams from cali came down to play the crusaders and the red raiders. del salle or lasalle? played st louis, and soundly spanked them. the other team played kahuku and got TROUNCED. the coach on the other team was wondering why kahuku wasn't getting national attention.

i love jj, and i love kahuku too. hopefully, they can put their differences aside so we can have a win-win situation.

OK, ha, looks like I must needs be a bit more clearer. I saideded:

The Man wrote:
Kahuku might be one of the best high school for football . . . but, I don't think it's one THE top high schools in all the west coast, right?

I was addressing stuff like academics. Post-secondary potential. Prepatory. Stuff like that. IN ADDITION to a good football program. And other stuff. Theatre. Forensics. Science. English class. Etc.

A great football program for a high school does not make for an overall great high school (at least I darn well HOPE TO GOD that's not the criteria for determining a great high school nowadays).

A great "football" high school being different from a great high school (the closest, on this island at least, being -- if you consider their football performance last season and if they keep improving [I mean, because their b-ball program is REALLY great if you haven't seen; absence of shot clock notwithstanding, the bane of island high school basketball, or does the same thing happen for high schools 'round the nation?] -- Iolani, perhaps, might very well be in the running for an overall "best west region high school," if not for the entire country).

So, "top high schools" I referred to would have really great programs in all areas.

Wakarimashita ka? :hehe:

jholic wrote:
i remember a few years ago, two VERY good teams from cali came down to play the crusaders and the red raiders. del salle or lasalle? played st louis, and soundly spanked them. the other team played kahuku and got TROUNCED. the coach on the other team was wondering why kahuku wasn't getting national attention.

People in Hawaii are justifiably proud of the quality of high school football there. There are a number of successful programs who consistently field quality football teams. The number of Div.I signings every year is also quite impressive for such a small state. That said, you got your facts mixed up a little when you referred to the doubleheader played a couple of years ago. Concord DeLaSalle, a small boy's Catholic school up in Northern California, did play and did convincingly beat St. Louis. DeLaSalle held the longest win streak in football--over 150 straight games--before losing a couple of times this past year. In recent years, DeLa Salle went out and scheduled a number of nationally ranked teams both in-state and out of state and scored impressive wins over those programs. In the other doubleheader game you alluded to, Long Beach Poly played Kahuku and soundly defeated Kahuku. Long Beach Poly probably has more great athletes every year than any other high school football program in the country. More alumni from LB Poly have played in the NFL than from any other high school; I believe there have been over twice as many LB Poly NFL players than the next highest rated high school to graduate players to the NFL (the statistic was in Sports Illustrated a few years ago). A number of players at USC come from LB Poly. There are probably eight to ten high schools in Southern California who have consistently over the past decade fielded teams and produced players that could compete with any in the country. The one big discrepency between the best teams in Hawaii and the best teams in Southern California is speed. Hawaii's linemen on both sides of the ball can probably match anything found on the West Coast, but the quality and quantity of speed at the skill positions spots give the best mainland teams an advantage. Please, I am not for one moment knocking the quality of high school football in Hawaii. In any given year there are one or two teams that should be rightfully ranked in the top ten of best teams in the West. I'm just trying to give a little background on two California teams who went back to Honolulu a couple of years ago and beat two outstanding local football teams. By the way, a couple of weeks after those games Concord DeLaSalle beat Long Beach Poly pretty convincingly.

The Man wrote:A great football program for a high school does not make for an overall great high school (at least I darn well HOPE TO GOD that's not the criteria for determining a great high school nowadays).

ha, ok, ok. my bad. it was a football thread, and i thought that was the subject we were referring to. yes, i agree. it is rather unfortunate when academics is sacrificed for sports. i don't think it should be so.

our power teams (st louis, waianae, kahuku, etc.) have not been known for their superb academic curriculum. :shamefulcry: at the hs and college level, i have always held that academics should be held at the highest regard. all your football players don't need to become doctors and lawyers, but at least pass their classes (w/o cheating) and have a backup plan/future (if you don't make the nfl).


shin2: i'm not too proud to admit my mistakes. arigatou gozaimasu for your clarification. i DO remember kahuku stomping on one school from cali, but i guess that was not the year. i remember hearing some of that information that you mentioned. as you said, my facts must've gotten jumbled up.

like yourself, i don't want to knock on the accomplishments of our 'island-bred', but i remember watching some of the highlights of those cali teams. you talk about watching future nfl stars. you've got players the size of BULLS, running like cheetahs.

i think there's several factors that contribute to this. size of our area vs theirs, competition (it'd be cool to have kahuku vs st louis three times a year), etc. but i think those inter-state games are good to have.

it makes me wonder how good the academics at dela and lb poly are! :hehe:

TheBombastic1 wrote:I understand how some families were offended by the "wardrobe malfunction", but I think the reaction just got a little ridiculous. Little too PC for my tastes.

Amen to that. All this diatribe about freedom and crap from the talking heads and then all this clamping down on folks.

More hypocrisy.

Worst commercial ever--Mike Ditka, Refrigerator Perry, and Jim McMahon proclaiming that they are Diana Pearl.

Who the heck is Diana Pearl????

bmwracer wrote:
Amen to that. All this diatribe about freedom and crap from the talking heads...

Hey, I LIKE the Talking Heads! :beatyou: :hehe:
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And you might say to yourself "My God, what have I done!" :rofl:
-PCM

bmwracer wrote:
Amen to that. All this diatribe about freedom and crap from the talking heads and then all this clamping down on folks.

More hypocrisy.

FREEDOM in the ads was shown with my aforementioned # 1 vote (which, I understand, might not be everybody's fav' commercial; I mean, all that talk I heard on the radio, on the streets about the monkey ads instead, you know :hehe: ), the Anheiser-Busch commercial with the soldiers walkiing throught the airport being applauded.

I love that commercial for that fact alone, but, truth be told all this "thumb-on-PC-during-the-Superbowl" discussion got me to thinking that just maybe that commercial also helped to express that never again will our soldiers be disrespected while returning home.

pcmodem wrote:Hey, I LIKE the Talking Heads! :beatyou: :hehe:

Yeah, I like those Talking Heads as well, but they're the only ones.

Super No. 1 wrote:Worst commercial ever--Mike Ditka, Refrigerator Perry, and Jim McMahon proclaiming that they are Diana Pearl.

Who the heck is Diana Pearl????

Heh. More like "what" is Diana Pearl -- that's one of the colors for the quartz countertops offered by Silestone.

jholic wrote:
shin2: i'm not too proud to admit my mistakes. arigatou gozaimasu for your clarification. i DO remember kahuku stomping on one school from cali, but i guess that was not the year. i remember hearing some of that information that you mentioned. as you said, my facts must've gotten jumbled up.

like yourself, i don't want to knock on the accomplishments of our 'island-bred', but i remember watching some of the highlights of those cali teams. you talk about watching future nfl stars. you've got players the size of BULLS, running like cheetahs.

i think there's several factors that contribute to this. size of our area vs theirs, competition (it'd be cool to have kahuku vs st louis three times a year), etc. but i think those inter-state games are good to have.

it makes me wonder how good the academics at dela and lb poly are! :hehe:

Over the past ten to fifteen years, a number of schools from California have scheduled football games against Hawaii schools and the competition has been great for both states. There have been some pretty good football teams from California get their butts whipped by the Hawaii schools. I remember one good San Diego area team about nine or ten years ago went to Hawaii, played and lost the game, then came back to California and claimed they had won because there was no news coverage of the game on the mainland. :usuck:
You are absolutely correct in pointing out that the great size discrepency between Hawaii and California has a lot to do with quantity of good football teams and players. That said, I would certainly rank Hawaii among the top eight state high school football hotbeds in the country.
Concord DeLaSalle, from what I understand, is a pretty strong academic school. As for Long Beach Poly, well, the Long Beach School District is not known for its academia. A significant portion of the area has basically an inner-city character, and it has all the accompanying problems that come with such an urban setting. They do try very hard, however, to meet these challenges. BTW, did you know that Cameron Diaz is a Long Beach Poly graduate?

wow, cameron diaz is from lbp? boy, now i wish i went there! :hehe:

shin2 wrote:That said, I would certainly rank Hawaii among the top eight state high school football hotbeds in the country.
Concord DeLaSalle, from what I understand, is a pretty strong academic school.

that's quite a statement! i knew that california, florida and parts of the midwest had a lot of good schools, but i'm glad to know that you consider hawaii up there.

hey, kudos for CDLS for keeping a good balance of academics and athletics.

speaking about all these high schools reminds me of that movie, 'friday night lights'. seen it?

jholic wrote:wow, cameron diaz is from lbp? boy, now i wish i went there! :hehe:

that's quite a statement! i knew that california, florida and parts of the midwest had a lot of good schools, but i'm glad to know that you consider hawaii up there.

hey, kudos for CDLS for keeping a good balance of academics and athletics.

speaking about all these high schools reminds me of that movie, 'friday night lights'. seen it?

Heh. I haven't seen the film, but, I read the book; good accounts, semi-tragedies in that true story.

a bit off-topic, but who cares.

for friday night lights, i hope someone can shed some light on this.

i heard a rumor that the book was actually kinda like a case study of a town that worshipped football. after the author had lived with the people for a few months/years, he went on to write the book. the people (who had befriended him during his time there) felt violated and betrayed.

i also heard that the movie adapted the book and presented it in a much better light.

anyone?

jholic wrote:a bit off-topic, but who cares.

for friday night lights, i hope someone can shed some light on this.

i heard a rumor that the book was actually kinda like a case study of a town that worshipped football. after the author had lived with the people for a few months/years, he went on to write the book. the people (who had befriended him during his time there) felt violated and betrayed.

i also heard that the movie adapted the book and presented it in a much better light.

anyone?

Way I look at it is this: Friday Night Lights (the underlined means I'm referring to the book; underline as a way of inidicating a title of a book, per MLA guidelines :) ) is a good representation -- and, uh, let me go conservative-like here and state that, I'm willing to surmise that the folks o' Permian can't say EVERYTHING in the book ain't true -- of high school football programs where some of the respective parents, alumni, and other assorted "supporters" tend to forget how football should still be considered a game.

I didn't catch it on the news, but my mom told me Jeff Garcia is out of a job...do you guys know why??

K.T.Tran wrote:I didn't catch it on the news, but my mom told me Jeff Garcia is out of a job...do you guys know why??

The new head coach of the Browns, Romeo Crennel, brought in Maurice Carthon of the Cowboys to be Offensive Coordinator. Carthon immediately wanted to get rid of Garcia.
-PCM

Yup, he wasn't performing up to his 4-year, $25 million contract. Sure he was injured for a period of time, but he just didn't fit well with the rest of the team.

OOO ok, thanks guys. I think Jeff did ok with the Niners, do you think he'll play for another team or he is washed up and nobody wants him