American Football (NFL, College, etc.)

Geezer wrote:I think the Pats will win,

And I want the Iggles to be out and out humiliated.

Remember the Niners Denver SB? 55 to 10, Niners.

Yeah, like that, only worse.

In the shop pool I have Owens playing... dropping three... and fumbling once.

Don't let me down TO.

I bet TO just sneezed a couple of times once you posted that Kevin :hehe: :hehe: :hehe:

Geezer wrote:Remember the Niners Denver SB? 55 to 10, Niners.

Great Super Bowl game.

In the shop pool I have Owens playing... dropping three... and fumbling once.

Don't let me down TO.

:lol: :lol:

I'm pulling for the Patriots, they're my secondary team as I lived in NH for 5 years. Plus, Tom Brady is a SF Bay Area boy and the team in general, from owner on down, conducts itself with class.

However, I could live with an Iggles (Philly pronounciation) victory, as long as T.O. has a utterly humiliating day.
-PCM

There's a Niner fan after my own heart.

yeah, it doesn't matter if they're the #1 team in the nation or the #1000. i'll be cheering for the warriors.

but i really gotta ask. who does the scheduling for uh? i mean, usc as the first game? we're gonna have a brand new qb, w/ a brand new offense, and usc is going to be looking to make a statement. our first game? :crazy:

well, the bright side: if we beat them - or even play really well - they'll have no excuse! warriors!

Geezer wrote:In the shop pool I have Owens playing... dropping three... and fumbling once.

wow, that's harsh. personally, i think TOs either going to be really great - or really worthless. nothing in between. he's either healed pretty darn well from that injury and ready to burn some patriot backup cb's, or this whole past week was just for show.

but i doubt if it's going to be a blowout. not unless the eagles start getting stupid and digging themselves a hole. if they play patiently, it'll probably be a really boring sb, but at least they stand a chance.

then again, who knows - it might be like last year. boring first half, then the defenses were told to take the day off. :hehe:

Geezer wrote:
Mouse Davis' Run and Shoot offense is a lot of fun to watch in college games (I watched him develop it at Cal). And June Jones runs it well at Hawaii.
But he, and a number of other coaches tried it in the NFL... and it doesn't work.

Recent high profile proponents (June Jones, of course, and Kevin Gilbride when he coached Warren Moon at Houston come to mind) of the Run and Shoot seem to direct offenses that hardly run and mostly shoot. The Run and Shoot, as originally devised by Tiger Ellison forty years ago, then re-defined by Mouse Davis around decade later, paid attention to the running game. And a critical component of the Run and Shoot ground attack was option. However, when you only pay lip service to the running the ball and refuse to incorporate the option, you get what you had with Warren Moon's Oilers--a high-scoring offense that eventually ran into problems because opponents only had to stop the pass. June Jones had similar problems when he was interim coach of the Chargers. Plus, he had mediocre personnel, and I don't care how much of a genius a coach is, he won't be successful if he doesn't have the players to execute his schemes.

But, say it with me jholic . . . :hehe:

pcmodem wrote:I'm pulling for the Patriots, they're my secondary team as I lived in NH for 5 years. Plus, Tom Brady is a SF Bay Area boy and the team in general, from owner on down, conducts itself with class.

However, I could live with an Iggles (Philly pronounciation) victory, as long as T.O. has a utterly humiliating day.
-PCM

You know, I was just talking about this today with my friend. Apparently Tom Brady went to the same HS as him but graduated before he was there. Also another neat fact was that Barry Bonds also went to that high school and sometimes goes back to train :D

Looks like you can get diseases from football these days. Probably not too severe but interesting read nonetheless :hehe: :hehe:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=1984419

jholic wrote:he won't need to - he's not going to be in the nfl for long.

If at all.

So if i want to gamble on the super bowl game and bet on the Eagles.....if the odds are more against them and if they win, i'll be rich right????

K.T.Tran wrote:So if i want to gamble on the super bowl game and bet on the Eagles.....if the odds are more against them and if they win, i'll be rich right????

Pretty much :hehe: :hehe:

K.T.Tran wrote:So if i want to gamble on the super bowl game and bet on the Eagles.....if the odds are more against them and if they win, i'll be rich right????

Nope. It can make you richer, but it won't make you rich, if you're not already rich.

If you make a straight spread bet, for you to win money on the Eagles, considering the point spread now is 7 in favor of the Pats, then The Ealges can win outright or lose by at most 7 points for you to win. Even then, the standard payout for a straight bet is 10/11, so that means for every $11 you bet, you profit $10 ( total return of $21 = $11 original bet + $10 money won). Close to even odds. This type of bet doesn't have you bet on a team, but rather that the spread will turn out wrong in favor of a team.

If you make a moneyline bet on the Eagles, you are betting on a team, IE, that the Eagles will win. I don't know what the money line for the Eagles' odd is right now, but you can check it at a betting site or from your bookie. Since, the Eagles are underdogs, its should be +some number. Take that number, divide by 10, and for every $10 you bet, you could profit by that number. For example, if its +120, then for every $10 you bet, you could have a return of $22 ( $12 in profit). So if you are betting on the Eagles, a monye line bet has a slightly better than even odds, but not by much. (That's cuz the Pats are seen as likely to win, so they reward you for betting on the underdog, which is a risk, but not by much).

Of course, those are "safe" bets assuming that you simply just want to "bet on the Eagles" with no other consideration. If you want to get specific ( exact scores, when they score, who scores, how he scores, if it goes to overtime, etc....) and can find someplace to take those bets, you can possibly make alot more pofit, for the same size bet, but those are risky cuz ieven if the Eagles win, if you are wrong about the specifics in in the slightest, you lose your bet.

The type of bet you had in mind, where if the odds are against a team, and that team wins, resulting in huge profits is called future bets. Those occur well ahead of a sporting event. For the Super Bowl, they typically stop taking future bets just prior to the divisional playoffs. But that's the type of bet where you see a team given odds to win the SuperBowl. Like, a team is 16 to 3 to win the SuperBowl, which can result in huge profits.

All this is based on legal gambling. Illegal gambling can make their own rules, so I don't know them. They might offer better returns, but probably more dangerous.

All I'm saying is, if you want to bet on the Eagles for fun, go ahead, but don't expect to get rich out of it. If you're lucky you can get a lil something something, but you won't get rich, unless you bet everything you got and hope to double it. At that point, you should consult a therapist for gamblimg problems.

ok, The Man, here goes:
USC GOING DOWN AT ALOHA STADIUM!!!

won't even know what hit 'em.


shin2: that was a great assessment of the r-n-s. too much shooting and not enough running. hawaii's offense was struggling since everyone knew jones was going to throw, so they dropped like 7 or 8 guys into coverage. jones should've called more run plays, and tc should know when to just run for a couple of yds. in any case, i am confident that jj will learn from his mistakes and run the ball a bit more next season. (i actually think that will be a necessity since the qb will be new).

also, just to let you and Geez know. mouse davis may have been an advisor (who knows?), but he was hired as the special teams coach. he should stick to offensive consulting. the special teams was atrocious last season. which is why i have even more respect for owens. :applaud:

really, i think jj should switch mouse to o cood, and hire new ST and def coods. i think that'll really help.

in related news: jj and one of the oia coaches (kahuku) really got into this week. jj accused kahuku of 'pushing' players to the mainland. and kahuku fired back saying that uh never really made any recruiting trips there. boy, talk about a heated battle! (for those of you who don't know, kahuku is one of the top hs in the west coast region, and many of their players are playing at big div i schools now.)

Bombastic: geez, what do you live in vegas? or just run your own house? i used to gamble on sports a while ago, but losing substantial amts of money was not my idea of fun.

i thought the more popular bet on the super bowl was the common ofc 'blocks'. where you would receive two numbers and win/lose depending on the score after q1, q2, q3 and final. that way, you won't have to choose a team.

the other bet was the 6/5. for every five bucks you could win, you could lose six. in other words, if you bet a $100 on the game. if you win, you win $100. if you lose, you lose $120 (6/5 odds).

and the final one was the over/under. let's say they set the o/u at 50pts. then all you have to guess is if the total score is going to be o/u 50pts. sounds easy enough, but you can't believe how many times it doesn't turn out that way.

well, in any case, if you bet on the eagles, you've already said the most important words:

K.T.Tran wrote:and if they win

in any case, i hope everyone has a great and SAFE superbowl party!

I didn't mention the O/U or block bets cuz I was offering up the choices you have in bets if you want to bet on the Eagles to win.

No I don't live in Vegas, nor run a house. I just know some people who love betting on sports. and they are always explaining things to me how to bet smart. these guys know all the ins and outs of betting, all those intricacies that I can't even begin to fathom.

Who's the lucky guy's who get to watch the Super Bowl tomorrow? :grumble:


I gotta work, and you sports fans know that recording the game is nothing like watching it live.

jholic wrote:
in related news: jj and one of the oia coaches (kahuku) really got into this week. jj accused kahuku of 'pushing' players to the mainland. and kahuku fired back saying that uh never really made any recruiting trips there. boy, talk about a heated battle! (for those of you who don't know, kahuku is one of the top hs in the west coast region, and many of their players are playing at big div i schools now.)

That's interesting. One of the web sites I frequent is the Star-Bulletin's, and when I read its article on football signings, I was surprised that, given the large number of Kahuku players committing to D-I schools this year (was it seven or eight?), not one signed with U of H. I immediately wondered if there was any kind of friction between the two schools.
Also, your point about Mouse Davis being on the U of H staff as special teams coach made me scratch my head. It'd be analogous to hiring Sam Choy and asking him to cook French cuisine. Mouse Davis' forte is the Run and Shoot, and I'm sure he must have been involved in some way with the offense, not just the special teams. That said, the U of H version of the R&S is in some ways quite different from Mouse Davis' version that he first developed at Portland State where Jones was his QB.

ahochaude wrote:Who's the lucky guy's who get to watch the Super Bowl tomorrow? :grumble:


I gotta work, and you sports fans know that recording the game is nothing like watching it live.

awww man working on superbowl sunday. I tell you aho, you're the hardest working man alive :D :hehe: