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jholic,

You didn't like Merton's Chicken Dance?

Actually, I didn't like it much until I heard that he was copying some muppet's moves from Seseme St, as a signal to his kid.

I didn't mind it so much after that, but still... it did become annoying.

Re: the Dr. not clearing T.O. As they mentioned in the Chron this morning, that's mostly just the Dr.'s way of protecting himself if Owens goes out and hurts himself again.

Coaches always like to say that in the end, it's the doctor's call on when an injured player can come back. But in reality, it's the coach and the player.

Odds are, Owens will suit up, and come in as a decoy for a few plays, just so that he can say he was in the Superbowl.

Geezer wrote:You didn't like Merton's Chicken Dance?
Actually, I didn't like it much until I heard that he was copying some muppet's moves from Seseme St, as a signal to his kid.

well, i never heard about that, but i wish i'd have known. it would've been a lot more bearable. i mean, the dude played w/ prime time. couldn't he have learned some dance steps from the pro his-self?

Geezer wrote:Odds are, Owens will suit up, and come in as a decoy for a few plays, just so that he can say he was in the Superbowl.

agreed. i personally do not think he will be ready to play full-sprint, so he won't be much of a factor. then again, the trend in the nfl seems to be BALDFACE LYING and telling us fantasy folks that, 'oh no, he's a game-time decision,' when they know dang well he can barely walk. OR, they say, 'oh, he's practically in a wheelchair,' and the next minute, he's poppin' off a buck-fitty in yds, plus two td's!!!

jholic wrote:
agreed. i personally do not think he will be ready to play full-sprint, so he won't be much of a factor. then again, the trend in the nfl seems to be BALDFACE LYING and telling us fantasy folks that, 'oh no, he's a game-time decision,' when they know dang well he can barely walk. OR, they say, 'oh, he's practically in a wheelchair,' and the next minute, he's poppin' off a buck-fitty in yds, plus two td's!!!

I take it you've been burned in your league before by such vague responses?

dochira wrote:I take it you've been burned in your league before by such vague responses?

oh, you mean the time two yrs ago when jerome pathon got hurt in the 3rd or 4th game, and they kept listing him as questionable for the next 40 games?!?!

or when shanahan did the same thing with a few of his players last year?

or perhaps when bellicheck said earlier this season that dillon was probably going to play - and didn't. then, two weeks later, he said that dillon was probably going to be out - and he scored twice?!

oh, naaaaw. i'm not sore about that at all!! :banghead: :banghead: :beatyou:

Nah, no tones of resentment whatsoever.... :hehe:

OK, you might not think the following a big deal, but, The Man does (as will probably jholic and some others):

In one of the scenes on last night's CSI: NY episode, the oligatory suspects (they were a gang of East side privileged sorta' college age individuals) were in an athletic apparel store trying on baseball caps.

Well, one of the suspects was trying on a white baseball cap with the "H" log on it (if you don't know what this "H" logo looks like, lo and behold, it is my avatar) and said to one of his crew, "so what do you think? Warriors or Auburn?" I couldn't believe it! Not ONLY was "Warriors" mentioned instead of "Rainbow Warriors" (the latter I despite), but, the "H" logo was right there spread out on the screen for millions of viewers to see.

Anyway, the suspect trying on the hat choose the Auburn University cap. IN walks in a few of the CSI investigators and a detective. They start grilling the criminal crew, heck the detective even ends up knocking off the Auburn U. cap from the suspect's head.

Man. Woulda' STUNG me if the suspect had chosen the U. of Hawai'i Warriors cap instead and got that knocked off his head.

And, I guess, it just goes to show, innately perhaps, there ain't no criminal element in UH Warriors game! Imua!

doch: you know, vague responses, i can sorta deal with. but these are just outright lies. i didn't need the news media to tell me that this whole terrell owens thing could just be a ploy to get bellicheck to game-plan for him. heck, if you left it up to bill, he'd probably list tom brady as doubtful.

I understand. They should list the entire as day-to-day. That'll throw people for a loop.

In related news, there's a little over a week until Super Bowl 39. (Can't believe it's been 10 years since the 49ers last went and won) Getting excited yet? Or is it just another game without your team in it? For me, I'm in the somewhat indifferent column. I'll watch it, but don't really care for the outcome.

hahahahahaha!! i AM psychic!! i watched that csi: ny ep last night, and as soon as i heard that part, i thought to myself, "i wonder what The Man would post if he heard this part."

as i mentioned above, not a chang fan, but any spotlight for the warriors is a good one. Man, you missed the part where the suspect's friend says, "yo, dude, warriors, man! timmy chang, man! dude's thrown for more touchdowns than anything, man!" (yes, that dialog was actually in the episode - not making it up.)

The Man, i thought you were on the show!! he kept mentioning your name!!

btw, talking about hawaii ties, i saw kelly hu on the show (last week?). thought she was going to be a regular, but was it just a cameo?

jholic wrote: "yo, dude, warriors, man! timmy chang, man! dude's thrown for more touchdowns than anything, man!" (yes, that dialog was actually in the episode - not making it up.)

Oh, yeah, I heard that part. I just didn't go into it, heh.

To all you locals who have been posting on this thread (and to those who follow college football): who do you think did a better job coaching at U of H--Dick Tomey or June Jones? (I know Jones is still there, but based on what he has done so far) Question #2: who was the best player ever at U of H?

dochira wrote:In related news, there's a little over a week until Super Bowl 39. (Can't believe it's been 10 years since the 49ers last went and won) Getting excited yet? Or is it just another game without your team in it? For me, I'm in the somewhat indifferent column. I'll watch it, but don't really care for the outcome.

Same here, but I'd like to see the Pats lose for a change: I'm sick of those "not in our house" credit card commercials... Annoying, arrogant crap.

You guys are kidding! The one week I miss the show & I miss that! Shoot! :doh: Guess I gotta wait for the rerun! :usuck:

As far as who's the better coach, it's really hard to say since both guys are really good and have had a lot of success. I would probably go with Dick Tomey, although that choice might be a little biased since he's always been my favorite coach at UH after Les Murakami! :P

shin2 wrote:To all you locals who have been posting on this thread (and to those who follow college football): who do you think did a better job coaching at U of H--Dick Tomey or June Jones? (I know Jones is still there, but based on what he has done so far) Question #2: who was the best player ever at U of H?

Jones, by far. Since his inception, he's brought the Warriors to bowl games, has had a hand in changing the team colors from that weird green color, white, and rainbows to dark green, silver, and black and in changing the athletic logo to the cool, Pacific Islander-motif'd "H" (that, again, you see in my icon).

He's managed to create a decent football program that not only recruits star high school football players within the state of Hawai'i, but, one that also brings in some decent prospects here from the mainland.

He's also mentioned that coaching UH is his dream job and he plans to coach here until for as long as he can, so, his heart's in it.

UH Warriors are playing some tough teams of late (season opener for this year is against none other than USC [!]).

Annnnnd let's not forget that he helped to get a certain QB to get the NCAA passing record.

I know I'm leaving a bunch of stuff out. But, thanks for asking, shin2! :victory:

Answer to Q 2: I dunno yet. Still thinking.

bmwracer wrote:Same here, but I'd like to see the Pats lose for a change: I'm sick of those "not in our house" credit card commercials... Annoying, arrogant crap.

aw, c'mon. it's not that bad. arrogance is when you make a fr*kkin' music video of the team doing the superbowl shuffle. remember that???

shin2 wrote:who do you think did a better job coaching at U of H--Dick Tomey or June Jones? (I know Jones is still there, but based on what he has done so far)

wow. great question. i agree w/ The Man to a point. i really liked tomey cuz he succeeded in a program that had extremely little. he's shown he could do even better at a bigger school, and if uh had given tomey, what it has given jones, then tomey probably could've been just as successful. i also think that tomey was a better game-planner and strategist. took risks when he had to. i watch a lot of the games, and i sometimes really wonder what jones is thinking when he does certain things. i would NEVER suggest getting rid of him, but i think he could stand to swallow his pride and bring in an offensive coordinator (and a better defensive one).

that being said, jones is doing a better job of coaching in terms of success of the program. i mean, he came in with a good name and accepting a low salary, so a lot of things have been done to accomodate him. even so, he has put hawaii on the map. it's not a good thing to say, but i almost rather watch hawaii LOSE 49-42, than watch them squeak out a win 10-7. with the air attack, we no longer need to worry as much about falling behind. if the offense is clicking, we can play with almost any team. i don't think that can truly be said of former hawaii teams.

jones has some things he can improve in terms of his coaching, but he's probably the most successful coach we've had in any of the uh sports. (i'm practically inviting an argument, but i think i can back this one up. :sweat: )

shin2 wrote:Question #2: who was the best player ever at U of H?

ooooooh. another good question. y'know, there has been quite a few. just off the top of my head: russ francis, rich miano, jesse sapolu, mark tuinei, al noga, etc. right now, i'm gonna go with sapolu. i don't like the 9ers much, but sapolu was instrumental in calling their lineblocking for so many years, and on a team that had so much success - yet depended so much on good line-play - i'd have to go with him over my cowboy tuinei.

the one guy who has the potential to surpass them all is ashley lelie. he makes a long bomb look easy. he has a little more learning to do in the pros, and once that's done - watch out!

jholic wrote:arrogance is when you make a fr*kkin' music video of the team doing the superbowl shuffle. remember that???

Nah, that was just plain stupid.

jholic wrote:
the one guy who has the potential to surpass them all is ashley lelie. he makes a long bomb look easy. he has a little more learning to do in the pros, and once that's done - watch out!

Speaking of Ashley Lelie, I was wondering if he and Jason Elam are local boys or from the mainland?
The Man was astute in pointing out the significant changes Jones made regarding the appearance of U of H football. The psychological effect of these visual changes can be powerful. Of course it's only good if the end result is success. :applaud:
Jholic points out that Jones was given more support than Tomey was. That also plays a large role in the determining the success of a program.
As someone who observes U of H football from the mainland, it seems to me that Tomey had more of an uphill climb in trying to produce a winning football program. When I was living in Hawaii as a kid, I can remember how poorly attended U of H games were and how mediocre the teams were (this was when they played at the old Honolulu Stadium--the high school games drew more people than the college game back then). Coach Tomey had an almost Herculean task when he arrived to upgrade a program that had been down for so long. Yes, I know that June Jones also inherited a losing program, but at least the glass was half-filled when he arrived; with Coach Tomey, it was way mo' down den dat.
Jones seems to have done a great job keeping the local talent at home, more so than Tomey (or am I completely wrong here?) The next step is to see how formidable a recruiter Jones and his staff is as far as the mainland is concerned; that will be an important factor if he wants to get the program to the next level.
Also, how does Jones' won-loss record at U of H compares to Tomey's when he was there?

so everyone's already making plans for a superbowl party? all my friends and i always gather at this one guy's house, and bring along a ton of food and drinks. we bring our xbox games and dvd's for after the game as well! ha!

shin2 wrote:Speaking of Ashley Lelie, I was wondering if he and Jason Elam are local boys or from the mainland?

i believe elam was recruited from the mainland. his folks are definitely from there. ashley played at radford high school here in hawaii, so i guess that would make him local, but a lot of military kids go to radford, so i don't know if his family lives here, or is just stationed here. lelie visits back here a lot - and donates all kinds of things to radford, so i'm certain his family is still here.

Yes, I know that June Jones also inherited a losing program, but at least the glass was half-filled when he arrived; with Coach Tomey, it was way mo' down den dat.
Jones seems to have done a great job keeping the local talent at home, more so than Tomey (or am I completely wrong here?) The next step is to see how formidable a recruiter Jones and his staff is as far as the mainland is concerned; that will be an important factor if he wants to get the program to the next level.

shin2: great point. here's my take. jones has been very good at keeping most of the talent home. but i'm still concerned at his ability to actually keep recruits from leaving the team. since he's been here, i've seen many, many good players leave for all types of reasons. i'm sure it's not his fault, but it's still a cause for concern. over the past few months, a highly recruited qb, rb, and cb have all left the team. besides recruiting, jones may want to see if he can step up RETAINING the players.

Also, how does Jones' won-loss record at U of H compares to Tomey's when he was there?

not really a fair comparison yet. tomey was about 63-45 in his nine years here. jones is about 48-30 in five years here. remains to be seen what jones can continue to do. after reading a few more articles on the accomplishments of tomey, i have to admit that i may be a little biased because i'm able to follow jones a little more (i was still a kid when tomey was coaching). but i guess time will tell.