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Geezer wrote:Gonna head out to vote as soon as I finish my lunch.

Hmmm...

No WMDs.

No threat to America.

No connection between Iraq and the terrorists who blew up the Towers and the Pentagon.

Cut soldiers pay.

Tried to cut combat pay.

Cut allowance to families while soldiers were out of the country fighting a war, almost in half.

Closed a bucket full of V. A. Hospitals.

Keystone Kops approach to securing post war Iraq.

Back door draft.

MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!

Drove the country deeper into debt than at any time in history.

Not a single net job created in over 3 years. First time since Hoover.

Man, I'm on the fence.

Uhhhhh, Geezer. I so like you. Really, you're a great fella. BUT, I must respond (and I'm not saying who I voted for, and, noboty assume as well, please.):

Could a President Gore have prevented the loss of jobs after 9/11?

Probably not. NO president could after 9/11 (unless that presidential team included Bill Gates and Oprah Winfrey, and, with their money, they coulda' given jobs, from their respective companies, to folks who lost 'em after 9/11; even then . . .).

Weapons of Mass destruction: that wasn't the only reason why the U.S. went into Iraq. Also, the weapons of mass destruction found a few weeks ago? The press, somehow, wasn't interested in at least saying, "these missing weapons are the closest things to weapons of mass destruction." Yeah, how objective our press can be sometimes.
Besides that, Saddam HAD the capability to create weapons of mass destruction -- this allowed him to make them and sell them to other countries, and THAT also makes him a "threat to America."

And let's not forget Saddam's graciousness in offering to pay homicide bombers from TERRORIST ORGANIZATIONS and/or their families about $10,000 per incident (which basically means, "per homicide bomber"). And yes, THAT (ta-da!!!) links Saddam to terrorists.

Lastly . . . you mean war's not supposed to yield casualties? I keep hearing "over a thousand troops dead because of this war." I hope the press keeps a similar count with whoever the president becomes for 2004-2008.

Manny,

I love a good argument. It means you're thinking, it means you're involved, and you care.

Really wish I could sit down and talk to you about this stuff. ( I never have enough time at the keyboard.)

Gore and the loss of jobs after 9/11. The 9/11 excuse is tired. Bush did nothing about creating jobs prior to 9/11. And he's had a couple of years since to get things straightened out. He hasn't. Gore might have done a better job. I think Kerry will. But I know that Bush has done a terrible job in this area.

WMD was the reason Bush and his posse used to stampede the country into an invasion of a country that had not attacked us. He, and Cheney, and Powell and the rest talked about WMD til they were blue in the face, talked about mushroom clouds over Manhattan, talked about tons of chemical weapons ready to be put in missles, or flown over U.S. cities in drones.

They weren't there.

The high explosives that went missing? That's hardly a case for Bush.
1) that's not what he was talking about when he hammered the WMD message. But I grant you, they are very dangerous. That's why the International Atomic Energy people... the ones looking for WMDs, tagged them and said, WATCH THESE THINGS! THEY ARE DANGEROUS! That's why the CIA made note of that weapons depot and said, SECURE THIS STUFF! But Bush's people, the Sec Of Def. and the rest of the suits, forgot to tell the troops on the ground to secure the place. They wanted a quick run into Baghdad.

Not good. Not impressive at all.

And I love Bush's comments in the last week or so.

They weren't there.

They were moved before we got there.

It's the troops fault.

The dog ate my homework.


No, Saddam did not have the capability to create weapons of mass destruction, nor could he sell them to others. That was made clear in the final inspector's report (the Dulfer (sp?) Report). That was Bush's own guy. All of the people Bush has sent in to look for WMDs or WMD programs have come back and said... he's got nothing.

As for the body count if Kerry wins. They'd damned sure better keep a body count. And I don't think Kerry would let the pentagon fudge their numbers the way the pentagon is doing now. You know... like when a soldier is only counted as KIA if he's dead on the street. He doesn't count if he dies in the hospital.

I can't tell you that Kerry will be a great President. I don't know that. I can't see into the future.

But I can look at the recent past and say that I think Bush has done a terrible job.

And I'll add one thing. If Kerry wins, boy I wouldn't want to be him.

Geezer wrote:And I love Bush's comments in the last week or so.

They weren't there.

They were moved before we got there.

It's the troops fault.

The dog ate my homework.

My favorite bushism:
"Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we..."Aug. 5, 2004

Geezer wrote:Manny,

I love a good argument. It means you're thinking, it means you're involved, and you care.

Really wish I could sit down and talk to you about this stuff. ( I never have enough time at the keyboard.)

Truly . . . I must needs get to the Bay area real quick-like, in order to meet some nice folk like ya'll and pcmodem, eltinator and ya'll others.

Shucks, I'll respond to the above (hopefully before some of you go to vote :) ), but, I must needs go to a meeting right now (yeah, get that, some of us DO work today).

For now, I'll say -- to balance out some of the above -- I'm surprised no one's on what Kerry said a few days ago:

"Join me."

Vader said something like that, and he lost, bwhhahahah.

niko2x wrote:My favorite bushism:
"Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we..."Aug. 5, 2004

:rofl: That was a classic moment. He spoke the truth for a change.

Geezer wrote:I love a good argument. It means you're thinking, it means you're involved, and you care.

http://www.infidels.org/news/atheism/sn-python.html

"Ah, is this the right room for an argument?" :hehe: :hehe: :bonk:



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And now for something completely different... :rofl:
-PCM

The Man wrote:

Truly . . . I must needs get to the Bay area real quick-like, in order to meet some nice folk like ya'll and pcmodem, eltinator and ya'll others.

Shucks, I'll respond to the above (hopefully before some of you go to vote :) ), but, I must needs go to a meeting right now (yeah, get that, some of us DO work today).

For now, I'll say -- to balance out some of the above -- I'm surprised no one's on what Kerry said a few days ago:

"Join me."

Vader said something like that, and he lost, bwhhahahah.

Hehe, hopefully we'll get a chance to talk a bit in Hawaii... =)

I'd like to address some of your points, but Geezer has done a pretty good job with it. High explosives are conventional weapons, not WMD. Sure, they can be used in WMD, but that doesn't make them such themselves.

Also like Geezer said, I don't know how Kerry is going to do in office, but it's damn well going to be at least better than the sorry administration currently in office. =)

Welp I just came back from voting. I'm glad I didn't have to wait in line! :D Anyways I hope that Redskins losing myth comes true :hehe:

The 4 p.m. ET exit-poll numbers:
Florida
Kerry 52
Bush 48
Ohio
Kerry 52
Bush 47
Michigan
Kerry 51
Bush 48
Pennsylvania
Kerry 58
Bush 42
Iowa
Kerry 50
Bush 48
Wisconsin
Kerry 53
Bush 47
Minnesota
Kerry 57
Bush 42
New Hampshire
Kerry 58
Bush 41
Maine
Kerry 55
Bush 44
New Mexico
Kerry 49
Bush 49
Nevada
Kerry 48
Bush 49
Colorado
Kerry 49
Bush 50
Arkansas
Kerry 45
Bush 54
North Carolina
Kerry 47
Bush 53

Doramafan113 wrote:The 4 p.m. ET exit-poll numbers:
Florida
Kerry 52
Bush 48
Ohio
Kerry 52
Bush 47
Michigan
Kerry 51
Bush 48
Pennsylvania
Kerry 58
Bush 42
Iowa
Kerry 50
Bush 48
Wisconsin
Kerry 53
Bush 47
Minnesota
Kerry 57
Bush 42
New Hampshire
Kerry 58
Bush 41
Maine
Kerry 55
Bush 44
New Mexico
Kerry 49
Bush 49
Nevada
Kerry 48
Bush 49
Colorado
Kerry 49
Bush 50
Arkansas
Kerry 45
Bush 54
North Carolina
Kerry 47
Bush 53

Yikes, where'd you get THESE numbers, Doramafan113? Cite your sources, onegaishimasu :D .

Here's what ya'll's should be keeping your eye on today: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/

Between meetings, folks . . . I'll be back, I'll be back (heheheh, I referenced Vader and now, The Terminator), or, I'll at least try; busy day today.

Oh, goodness, Mr. thetenken and Mr. Geezer; the capability to make weapons of mass destruction, the capability, c'mon, now :hehe: .

Doramafan113 wrote:The 4 p.m. ET exit-poll numbers:
Florida
Kerry 52
Bush 48
Ohio
Kerry 52
Bush 47
Michigan
Kerry 51
Bush 48
Pennsylvania
Kerry 58
Bush 42
Iowa
Kerry 50
Bush 48
Wisconsin
Kerry 53
Bush 47
Minnesota
Kerry 57
Bush 42
New Hampshire
Kerry 58
Bush 41
Maine
Kerry 55
Bush 44
New Mexico
Kerry 49
Bush 49
Nevada
Kerry 48
Bush 49
Colorado
Kerry 49
Bush 50
Arkansas
Kerry 45
Bush 54
North Carolina
Kerry 47
Bush 53

CAUTION: Early 2000 exit polls showed Gore +3 in Florida [Bush won]; showed Gore-Bush even in CO [Bush won by 9], 2000 exits showed Gore +4 in AZ [Bush won by 6]

Geezer wrote:Gonna head out to vote as soon as I finish my lunch.

Hmmm...

No WMDs.

Fooled the world. Apparently the intel from the world was good enough that they ruled unanimously to reinstate inspectors to look for WMD's that they "knew" Iraq didn't have. Oh yeah, the original provisions that Saddam agreed to was that he prove he has no WMD's, not the other way around.

No threat to America.

Plotted to assassinate a former US President. Granted asylum to terrorists that have attacked Americans. Aided an Al Qaeda member who fought in Afghanistan. Had a terrorist training facility - Salam Pak. Called for terrorist attacks on the US. Gee...no threat there.

No connection between Iraq and the terrorists who blew up the Towers and the Pentagon.

Everytime anyone brings that up, they NEVER show any instance that it was said. They say they do, but they don't. Every example used is always an offical saying that Iraq had links to Al Qaeda, NOT 9/11.

Cut soldiers pay.

That was a DOD decision based on their budget. You can accuse the administration of not jumping on it quickly, but to say it was their plan would be lying.

Tried to cut combat pay.

See above.

Cut allowance to families while soldiers were out of the country fighting a war, almost in half.

See above, again.

Closed a bucket full of V. A. Hospitals.

Department of Veteran Affairs decision to streamline the system, shut down outdated locations, and add new, more modern facilities. Gee..I guess you forgot about that last one.

Keystone Kops approach to securing post war Iraq.

Guess you disregard the countless good that's happened over there that's not reported. Nobody said it was going to be easy. Way to insult everyone that's there or been there, too.

Back door draft.

Ironically put forth by Democrats. I guess you forgot that, or you're getting all your information from emails or Michael Moore.

MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!

Maybe you haven't noticed, but that was for the ship that returned from an extended float to Afghanistan AND Iraq. But use anything and everything I guess. :rolleyes:

Drove the country deeper into debt than at any time in history.

War takes money. Revitalizing a military that was overstretched AND downsized for eight years takes money. Surprise, surprise.

Not a single net job created in over 3 years. First time since Hoover.

Though the unemployment rate is better than the previous administration by a point.

Gore and the loss of jobs after 9/11. The 9/11 excuse is tired.

Of course, that ignores the collapse of the Dot-com industry and the Stock Market crash of 2000. Was it the previous admin's fault. Hell no. So quit blaming the current one.

I have no problem if anyone dislikes Bush. That's the choice we are afforded. But quit quoting from the "Michael Moore Book of History" and use facts for once.

Wow. This is too wild.

'Bout an hour ago (yes, roughly), the electoral votes (270 is needed to win) went like this:

Bush: 66
Kerry: 77

AS OF THIS WRITING ('bout 4:15p, HI time), according to CNN.com, Foxnews.com, and Drudgereport.com, it's:

Bush: 155 (Fox News and Drudge Report are stating 156, actually.)
Kerry: 112
(12% of the precincts data in).

Popular vote so far: 9,718,807 for Bush; Kerry's got 8,230,145 according to CNN.com.


If it continues like this, you folks WILL have to stay up late with us Hawai'i folk to see the real outcome.

I'm going home, now. Hahhaa. See you online later . . . maybe.

C'mon Kerry!!!! I really would hate to live under Bush for another 4 years :beaten: Might as well move to another country :sweat:

I hate to be a ballon popper, but it looks like bush might win... :sweat:

Mr.ChoyBoi wrote:I hate to be a ballon popper, but it looks like bush might win... :sweat:

Haha yea given that he has 269, all I can hope for is a tie unless things really change tonight. Damn I can't stand Bush. If Bush does end up winning, maybe I could still hope for impeachment :hehe:

eltinator wrote:C'mon Kerry!!!! I really would hate to live under Bush for another 4 years :beaten: Might as well move to another country :sweat:

screw country! leave the friggin planet! move to mars :mrgreen:

jax wrote:

screw country! leave the friggin planet! move to mars :mrgreen:

Probably not in this life time, and it's also too cold on Mars.

eltinator wrote:

Probably not in this life time, and it's also too cold on Mars.

oh come on man! i can dream!!

i am only 15! i still wanna be an astronaut!!

jax wrote:

oh come on man! i can dream!!

i am only 15! i still wanna be an astronaut!!

Hahahaha really? Well I guess it'd be kind of cool. Having worked at NASA this summer, I personally feel living on Mars is quite far off, expecially since no human has ever landed there! I think they did say something about building an international space station by 2020 or something. Although I would be more in favor of that money going to the current day education!!! :sweat: