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http://chrisevans3d.com/files/iq.htm

Something my friend just sent me. For those of you who are sore from Kerry's loss will get a kick out of this one. :rofl:

Heh, someone just voted on the poll.... :hehe: :hehe:

Too little, too late, I'm afraid.

Kijinnmaru wrote:I only pop in and add to threads like these to dispel the myths and lies that seem to run rampant when people argue with emotion rather than facts, but this comment has truly crossed the line. In any self-respecting forum, a comment like that would have caused the thread to be locked and tossed. You know what....forget it. This is my last post. Go ahead and make remarks about "not letting the doorknob hit my ass" or "so long, you won't be missed", I don't really care and don't expect better. I'm sure Geezer already has a list of names like "Bushy" or "Republican dog" lined up, despite the fact I haven't supported Bush on this thread, only shot down all the BS that's constantly reiterated without question.

Genma, thanks for the forum. The rest is still great.

BMWRacer, it was good getting to chat with you a little. And thanks for the Ryoko thread.

Kijinnmaru, I really enjoyed reading your posts. You are a very strong debator and the fact that I agree with most of your point of views makes reading your posts in all the threads you posted in, (not only this one) a great experience. I hope this doesn't conclude your posting in the forum. I'd like to read more of your posts again sometime.

groink wrote:Before any of you run off to Canada on a whim...

Unhappy Democrats Need to Wait to Get Into Canada...
http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=domesticNews&storyID=6704292

--- groink

This makes me sick. :bleh:

bmwracer wrote:Heh, someone just voted on the poll.... :hehe: :hehe:

:hehe: :hehe: :hehe:

Kijinnmaru wrote:
This has got to be one of the most ill-informed, ignorant, and downright stupid comment I've ever heard. The kind only capable of being made by idealogues who cry when they don't get their way. It shows the obvious fact that you have no grounding in reality while you bask in the immense freedoms that you criticize. You have no idea what true tyranny is. Let me tell you something - we are not even beginning to head in that direction. You've never had to watch people eating tree bark while their government lavishes in banquets provided by foreign aid. You've never seen people shot and left to die simply because they wanted to leave their country for a better life. You've never seen the broken body of a woman who was stoned because it was her "fault" she was raped. Nope. Your candidate didn't get elected and we're spiralling towards oppression.

Your way or everyone is wrong. That's the simple argument that spurred how many countless conflicts and atrocities, including the one we are fighting now. Maybe you don't understand the enemy we are fighting who, by the way, is in Iraq. If you'd ever been there, and fought on the streets, you would know that many are not Iraqis. This is a battle for our survival, and better in Iraq than in the streets of the US - which ironically is not filled with mass battles and suicide attacks despite some of the ravings here. Maybe you do, because you sound just like them.

So how is Bush like Hitler? Patriot Act? Can you post any part of it that's unconstitutional from the Act itself, and not from some interpretation of its evil. The fact is that the Patriot Act grants terrorism investigations the same tools that criminal investigations have had for the last 30 or so years, and with more judicial oversight. Tell me, what freedoms or constitutional rights have been lost like you've all claimed? Zero. A little inconvienece and the cries of oppression fly. You don't know how good you have it. When I hear comments like yours, it gives me that moment of pause when I wonder if spending more than all my adult years stomping through the mountains and deserts and other god-forsaken places on this Earth was worth it. But to know that you can say such stupid things without retribution proves that I've done my job well and can continue to do it proudly.

I only pop in and add to threads like these to dispel the myths and lies that seem to run rampant when people argue with emotion rather than facts, but this comment has truly crossed the line. In any self-respecting forum, a comment like that would have caused the thread to be locked and tossed. You know what....forget it. This is my last post. Go ahead and make remarks about "not letting the doorknob hit my ass" or "so long, you won't be missed", I don't really care and don't expect better. I'm sure Geezer already has a list of names like "Bushy" or "Republican dog" lined up, despite the fact I haven't supported Bush on this thread, only shot down all the BS that's constantly reiterated without question.

Genma, thanks for the forum. The rest is still great.

BMWRacer, it was good getting to chat with you a little. And thanks for the Ryoko thread.

18 U.S.C. 2339B (codified section of the AEDPA, modified by the PATRIOT Act), the provision of material support to terrorists in the forms of expert advice and assistance was found to be unconstitutionally vague by a court in CA.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/LAW/01/26/patriot.act.ap/

The provision of communications equipment, personnel, and training have all also been found to be unconstitutionally vague (one exception, the U.S. v. Lindh decision in a VA district court found personnel was not vague). I can provide the case cites if you want.

Kijinnmaru, if you're not here to dispel the myths, then who else will? Isn't it better to keep an open discourse than just have everyone continue to believe misguided ideas? This politics thread is wrapping up as well, and considering this is just one thread (off topic thread, too) on a forum about J-dramas, don't you think you're throwing the baby out with the bathwater?

Anyway, pcmodem automatically loses the argument, and this thread should automatically be closed due to Godwin's Law.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law

As I invoked the law, I automatically lose as well. =)

thetenken wrote:Anyway, pcmodem automatically loses the argument, and this thread should automatically be closed due to Godwin's Law.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law

As I invoked the law, I automatically lose as well. =)

Interesting.........
First time I've heard of that. :beaten:


Well, since the election is over and since this thread serves no purpose but raving and ranting by anti-Bush supporters, and off topic postings, I'll be locking it now.



Thanks for everyones' points of view. :)

Four years later.... Time to bump this thread.

I bet you had to dig pretty deep... wait, Search Function!! :woot:

I don't follow politics too hard really, but there are some guys right now I would really not want to be in Office. *cough*Romney, Huckabee, Thompson, Guiliani, Clinton*cough*

atskv9 wrote:I bet you had to dig pretty deep... wait, Search Function!! :woot:

Right on. :thumbsup:


Ack, looks like Hillary has taken New Hampshire.... :puppydog:

I guess her somber weeping on the news yesterday won her a buncha votes... :shakehead:

bmwracer wrote:
I guess her somber weeping on the news yesterday won her a buncha votes... :shakehead:

To paraphrase Tom Hanks: "There's no crying in politics!!!" [/list:u]

gaijinmark wrote: To paraphrase Tom Hanks: "There's no crying in politics!!!" [/list:u]

LOL.

The consolation is that she didn't win by much: 39% to 37% over Obama...

Next up: Michigan.

I just got my sample ballot in the mail today. I'm looking through it, but I don't understand half of what it means. :bonk: :sweat:

bmwracer wrote:
I guess her somber weeping on the news yesterday won her a buncha votes... :shakehead:

Weeping at being down at only Round 2 and wants to be the leader of an entire nation at war. :rolleyes:

Kijinnmaru wrote:Weeping at being down at only Round 2 and wants to be the leader of an entire nation at war. :rolleyes:

I think it's all orchestrated... She played the voters in NH. :shakehead:

bmwracer wrote:
I think it's all orchestrated... She played the voters in NH. :shakehead:

I have no doubt about that when it pertains to her. Of course, doesn't this speak more of the NH voters?

Kijinnmaru wrote:I have no doubt about that when it pertains to her. Of course, doesn't this speak more of the NH voters?

As far as the women are concerned, according to the gender breakdown of the votes... :sweat:

MissMonika wrote:I just got my sample ballot in the mail today. I'm looking through it, but I don't understand half of what it means. :bonk: :sweat:

Have a couple more Margarita's MM, it will all make sense then. :P [/list:u]

Obama, Clinton tied in 2008 Democratic race

By John Whitesides, Political Correspondent
Wed Jan 16, 8:14 AM ET

Barack Obama has erased a once substantial deficit to climb into a virtual tie with Hillary Clinton in the Democratic presidential race, according to a Reuters/Zogby poll released on Wednesday.

Among Republicans, John McCain charged to the front of a shifting presidential field, shooting past Mike Huckabee and a fading Rudy Giuliani as the opening contests of the 2008 White House campaign dramatically reshaped the races in both parties.

Heading into potentially crucial contests in Nevada, South Carolina and Florida, the campaign to choose candidates for the November election to succeed President George W. Bush has shown deep volatility.

Wins in Iowa by Obama, an Illinois senator, and Huckabee, a former Arkansas governor, gave both candidates jolts of momentum in the race.

But the momentum was short-lived as New Hampshire comeback wins by Clinton, a New York senator, and McCain, an Arizona senator, five days later set up potentially lengthy Democratic and Republican nominating battles.

"This the definition of a hard-fought race," pollster John Zogby said.

The poll was taken on Thursday and Friday, before Tuesday's Michigan Republican primary, in which former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney beat McCain by 39 percent to 30 percent. Huckabee came in third with 16 percent.

Democrats also held a primary in Michigan but a dispute over the date of the vote led the national party to strip the state of its delegates to this summer's presidential nominating convention, making the contest meaningless.

The survey found only marginal support for a potential independent candidacy by New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg, who has flirted with the idea of a third-party run for the White House while officially denying any interest.

Clinton, a former first lady who would be the first woman U.S. president, held a 21-point edge over Obama in October. He cut that to 8 points by last month, and the new survey gave her a 39 percent to 38 percent edge.

Her 1-point lead was well within the poll's margin of error of 4.7 percentage points.

Obama, who would be the first black U.S. president, and Clinton were essentially deadlocked among a variety of groups, including men, women, Democrats and independents. Obama led substantially, 65 percent to 15 percent, among black voters.

Obama barely led among voters under age 24, a substantial drop in support from last month, but led Clinton among voters aged 55 to 69, normally one of her strengths.

'UNBELIEVABLY CLOSE'

"This is an unbelievably close race at almost every level," Zogby said.

Former North Carolina Sen. John Edwards, the only other major Democratic contender still in the race, was a distant third at 9 percent in the national poll.

Among Republicans, McCain led Huckabee by 28 percent to 23 percent as the pair took advantage of their wins in the first two nominating contests.

It was a 16-point jump for McCain from last month and a one-point increase for Huckabee, who had already begun his climb by mid-December.

"Clearly this is a post-Iowa, post-New Hampshire bounce," Zogby said.

Huckabee, an ordained Baptist minister whose rise has been fueled by support from religious conservatives, led 34 percent to 22 percent among those who described themselves as "born-agains."

McCain led among independents 45 percent to 13 percent and among moderates by 53 percent to 13 percent, while McCain and Huckabee tied among Republican voters.

In third place was former Tennessee Sen. Fred Thompson at 14 percent, with former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney at 13 percent.

All of them shot past Giuliani, the leader in national polls for much of the year. His support has been steadily dropping, from 29 percent in November to 23 percent last month and just 9 percent this month.

The slide has raised questions about Giuliani's strategy of bypassing the early voting states to concentrate on Florida's January 29 primary and the February 5 "Super Tuesday" round of 22 state contests.

"This is what happens in a sequential process when you don't win," Zogby said. "You have to win somewhere and he hasn't."

The national survey had Republican Rep. Ron Paul at 4 percent and California Rep. Duncan Hunter at less than 1 percent.

Asked about Bloomberg, about 60 percent said it was very unlikely they would support the New York mayor, with another 16 percent saying it was somewhat unlikely. Just 4 percent said it was very likely they would back him, with 15 percent saying it was somewhat likely.

The poll surveyed 459 likely Democratic primary voters and 427 likely Republican primary voters, with a margin of error of plus or minus 4.7 percentage points for Democrats and 4.8 percentage points for Republicans.

bmwracer wrote:Obama, Clinton tied in 2008 Democratic race

Sen. Gravel is going to make a comeback.

Tu_triky wrote:Sen. Gravel is going to make a comeback.

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