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9 Feb 2008, 07:17 #461
Geezer wrote:Thank you

Now stepping quietly down off the soap box and going back to watching tv.


I'm not at all into politics, but even I felt your words. If you ask me, you need to stay atop that soap box more often. :bow:
9 Feb 2008, 08:55 #462
bmwracer wrote:
Yeah, I'm losing the war for President Knucklehead.

Does Tet 68 ring a bell? For those who need a history refresher of the facts, after continuous setbacks, the North Vietnamese staged a massive assault with 250,000 NVA regulars and 100,000 VC in an attempt to capture major South Vietnamese provinces and spark a popular uprising. The result: complete failure to capture any province and no uprising. On top of that, the Viet Cong was decimated and was no longer a viable fighting or insurgent force. It was a complete tactical disaster. What happened then? That idiot Walter Cronkite decided that America had lost the war and told the people that, and the American public bought it. Despite continual drop in American casualties in the following years, despite successful transfer of combat operations to the South Vietnamese-thatfs right, Vietnamization was successful. We left in 73 and Vietnam fell in 75. In between the South Vietnamese forces fought well and got the job donec..until Congress passed the Foreign Military Assistance Act of 1974 and yanked the rug out from under our allies. Thatfs when the conventional NVA steamrolled the country. So defeat was grasped from victory thanks to the American public.

So now we come back to the present. The American public wants change, which is why youfre pulling for Obama. Why change? To fix the gevilsh of Bush. What evils? He lied about WMDfs. Really? I guess that ignores the fact that multiple major foreign intelligence agencies came to the same conclusion that we did. Hans Blix? When he was ordered out of Iraq, he didnft say there was no WMDfs; he said he hasnft found any because the Iraqis were not being cooperative. How about the previous decade? What decade you ask? The Clinton admin, as well as all the Democrats that are screaming Bush lied, were the ones screaming that Iraq had them. Remember 1994? Probably not, but I sure remember being told to get ready to march on Iraq. How about 1998? Again I do because I was told to get ready to march on Iraq. Saddam kicks the inspectors out with tons of WMDfs and material unaccounted for. Instead we bomb them for a while and leave. All that unaccounted stuff? Still unaccounted up until 2003, but I guess itfs easy to ignore that decade when you it doesn't fit your "he lied" mantra.

So rather than wait till itfs too late, like how many complain about Bush and 9/11, we act and it turns out the WMDfs arenft there-a fact that even Saddam and most of his generals didnft know. We dropped ourselves into out enemiesf backyard and said bring-it. And our enemies have been jumping on every camel and magic carpet they can find to come take a shot at the title from the champ, but all they get is shot in the face. They need to unseat the US and prevent a stable Iraq or they lose legitimacy-yeah, that applies to them as well. But what do you want? Change. Obama will pull us out right away, and thatfs why hefs popular. And with that goes any success. Instead of giving them a beatdown on their homecourt, then rebuilding it better, they drove the gGreat Infidelh out-the great propaganda and recruitment victory for their cause.

So just like in Vietnam, the American public will once again help snatch defeat from victory.
9 Feb 2008, 09:12 #463
Geezer wrote:
Interesting sentence. Who are the meatgrinders? Have we turned our own soldiers into meatgrinders? That doesn't sound very good.

Wefre the meatgrinder. Our enemies are flocking there to fight us and dying like it was the latest Hollywood fad. Doesnft sound good? Why? Killing our enemies sounds pretty good to me. Or do you prefer people who want to kill you, your family, and end your way of life to go home at the end of the day.

The "War" ended. The only "War" we actually had going. They surrendered. Iraq I mean. Their army was beaten and disbanded. Their leader was executed. We installed a new government. That's a win, militarily speaking.

The war ended, huh? I guess when we took Peleliu in 1944 World War 2 was over. Oh wait, the battle of Peleliu was just one campaign in the larger war. Just like Iraq is one campaign in the larger War on Terror. Itfs not a separate war like youfd like it to be so you could question its legitimacy. But Congress saidcc Whofs in control of Congress? The same people who, like you, want to separate Iraq from the GWOT because itfs politically advantageous for them. Thatfs right. For the sake of political agenda and hatred of the President, you would throw the country under the bus. Thanks.

If you mean the supposed "War on Terror". That's not a war. That's a bumper sticker. Terror is a tactic. Trying to fight a "tactic" with an army is like trying to nail jello to a wall. In other words... it's stupid.

Here we go again. You canft fight terror because itfs a tactic. The best you could come up with to question the legitimacy of the war is to attack the name? All that pontificating about gnailing jelloh is pointless because it has nothing to do with the war. Itfs just a name, a convenience to use to identify our current military campaign. It should be called the War against Islamic Fascists, but folks would be up in arms about labeling or what not. So please find something more substantial than saying the war doesnft exist because itfs name doesnft make sense. With your poor logic, World War 2 couldn't be fought because we weren't fighting the entire world. :rolleyes:

Oh, and about the American Public. We're supposed to get a say in this sort of stuff. The American Public, I mean.

America isn't a Military Dictatorship. It isn't a Monarchy. At least not yet, anyway.

The American Public... The American People carry the final responsibility.

Yes, you, the American public, have a say. And thatfs what you are doing now. So ultimately, by ghaving your sayh and voting for change because you place your hatred for the administration over the survival of the nation, the loss of this war will be your, the American public, responsibility. Which brings us back to:
then still losing this war because of the American public,
9 Feb 2008, 11:53 #464
Kijinnmaru wrote:So just like in Vietnam, the American public will once again help snatch defeat from victory.

Oh man. :shakehead:

You're not gonna convince me it's right, and I'm not gonna convince you it's wrong, so let's leave it at that.
9 Feb 2008, 16:38 #465
I totally agree with Kijinnmaru.

*Amen Brother* My thoughts exactly.
10 Feb 2008, 00:19 #466
ahochaude wrote:I totally agree with Kijinnmaru.

I knew you would.
10 Feb 2008, 14:32 #467
Barack Obama swept the Louisiana primary and won caucuses in Washington State, Nebraska, and the Virgin Islands.

Yay! :woot:
10 Feb 2008, 15:40 #468
bmwracer wrote:Barack Obama swept the Louisiana primary and won caucuses in Washington State, Nebraska, and the Virgin Islands.

Yay! :woot:


Good...I hope he sweeps the rest of the primaries. Kick the old guard out. He's doing good in states that supposedly wouldn't vote for a black man.
10 Feb 2008, 15:48 #469
kitakaze wrote:Kick the old guard out.

Exactly... New blood... No more political machines.

He's doing good in states that supposedly wouldn't vote for a black man.

Good to know... It shouldn't be about color or gender in the first place.
10 Feb 2008, 16:00 #470
thought this was pretty funny...

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http://www.dailysquib.co.uk/?c=117&a=1227
10 Feb 2008, 16:07 #471
Ushiroyubi wrote:thought this was pretty funny...

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http://www.dailysquib.co.uk/?c=117&a=1227

LOL. :lol:

Looks like a variant of The Onion: http://www.theonion.com/content/index


Hey dude... Good to see you posting... Hope all is well in your neck o' the woods. :victory:
10 Feb 2008, 16:59 #472
bmwracer wrote:
LOL. :lol:

Looks like a variant of The Onion: http://www.theonion.com/content/index


Hey dude... Good to see you posting... Hope all is well in your neck o' the woods. :victory:


HAHAHA Yeah! funny stuff!

what is UP man!? Good to see you too! Yeah... things are good! I'm actually moving to China in a few weeks so I've been really busy. :beatyou:

I'd like to hang around here more! :fingerscrossed:
11 Feb 2008, 00:25 #473
Ushiroyubi wrote:I'm actually moving to China in a few weeks so I've been really busy.

SAY WHAT???? :shocked: :shocked: :shocked:
11 Feb 2008, 12:15 #474
From Yahoo! News:

Clinton shuffles campaign team

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The Good Ship Hillary taking on water?? :beaten: :hehe:
12 Feb 2008, 05:57 #475
I'm with Kijinnmaru.

And Clinton... please... Another Clinton? Wasn't Bill bad enough? I just need to look at the Kosovo, heck the whole Balkans, and brace myself for the next war down there.

I can't stand Hillary. Especially not when she starts rambling about her socialist dreams. She should come to Europe and experience how it doesn't work. No, I'm not talking about the Europe she knows, the one of the Intercontinental and Hilton Hotels. Not the one with champaign. I'm talking about the Europe of the normal people who pay massive taxes (want to pay up to 50% taxes on your salary? plus taxes on everything you buy? come to Europe). The Europe of the people who will soon end up paying almost 9 USD per gallon gasoline (once the EUSSR changes normal gasoline from 5% alcohol to 10% most cars will not be able to use it, since it's likely to damage the fuel tubes and possibly even the engine, most people will have to use "super plus", which, at least in Germany, is around 9 USD per gallon). The Europe of the people where public health insurances have massive defecits (in Austria for example: ~470 Million USD). The Europe with no-go areas for the natives thanks to uncontrolled immigration (the natives don't enter those areas, it's too dangerous, you can find those areas everywhere, in England, in Sweden, In Norway, in the Netherlands, in Germany), together with a skyrocketing crimerate (say something about that and you're called a Nazi in Europe, that's how it is). The Europe that is so weak that its treatment of criminals is a joke (20 year old repeated offenders, in Germany, are judged by youth laws; in Austria you get away with raping little girls, just bring in a psycholiar, errr, psychologist and you get a slap on your writs, even when you're a repeated offender). The Europe that spits on freedom of speech and democracy, thanks to the EUSSR (September 11th 2007, that's all I say, that was the date when European "democracy" and their idea of "freedom of speech" showed it's real face).

And don't forget one thing. The soldiers and marines in the US Armed Forces are volunteers. They are highly trained professionals who go wherever their government sends them. Of course, there are idiots like the city council of Berkley and the group of traitors like Code Pink, who have no idea of such things (how would they, they're leftover hippies from the 60s and 70s).

Iraq maybe down, but Al Quaeda is still out there. It's a pity that the US military is not allowed to fight them the way it should be done. Patton and McArthur never pussyfooted like the military today (no, they'd be combing cave by cave in the A-stan mountains, pour in some napalm and throw in a phosphorus grenade, those ragheads who don't get burned suffocate -> cave clear, no more terrorists). And why is it like this today? Because of the media, because of the hippies during the Vietnam War, because of their "baby killer" BS (that crap is still used today). The US troops aren't just defending America, they are also defending Europe, because Europe is too dumb to defend itself (thanks to European politicians). Anyone who doubts this: look at the Chad, the EU can't even deploy troops; look at the Lebanon and the complete disaster of the EU operation there; or look at how the old Gadhaffi made fools out of the EU politicians (which isn't too hard actually).

Oh, Kijinnmaru, I remember reading that one NVA officer, who was with the tanks that eventually took the southern capital, noted that the NVA was surprised over how fast they could advance into the south.

And honestly, I can't hear this "Bush lied about Iraq" BS. Even the MI6, the British, confirmed WMDs before the attack. That's Bush's fault as well, right? Bush made the intel specialists from MI6 lie, right? I was for Bush because he was the lesser evil. Kerry was... I won't go there. He can take his purple hearts and shove them where the sun doesn't shine, Mr "The Americans in Vietnam are warcriminals." Back stabbing swine, that's what he is.

Obviously the American Left (no, they are not Left, they are wannabe-leftists, they have long since betrayed the ideals of the Left movement, just like the Left wing in Europe, they've all betrayed it) wants another 9-11.

Oh, btw... I forgot... did you know that the percentage of murder cases in Berlin is now as high as in good old New York? I remember when I was a kid, people used to say that they didn't want "American situations" in Europe. Well, seems we're getting them anyway. And the difference is, an American citizen can defend himself properly. Here? Forget it. Here, if you defend yourself, you're the one who's life will be in danger (Germany, city of Cologne, in the area named Kalk a little foreign boy tried to rob a German at knifepoint, the German defended himself, the little raghead got killed accidentally, clear case of self defense police and local prosecutor concluded; well, it's not over with that, because now you have a muslim lynch mob demanding their idea of "justice", heavily supported by wannabe-leftists and German anti-Germans and now the victim of the attempted robbery and his family are in danger).
12 Feb 2008, 08:59 #476
I forgot to mention: Obama takes Maine...!!! :victory: :woot: :dancing:
12 Feb 2008, 09:25 #477
bmwracer wrote:I forgot to mention: Obama takes Maine...!!! :victory: :woot: :dancing:


The cat is on a roll. Good for him.
12 Feb 2008, 10:41 #478
Tu_triky wrote:The cat is on a roll. Good for him.

Looks like it's gonna go to the wire... Unless Hillary wises up and drops out. :beaten: :victory:
12 Feb 2008, 10:57 #479
bmwracer wrote:
Looks like it's gonna go to the wire... Unless Hillary wises up and drops out. :beaten: :victory:


I think Gravel is going to make a comeback...I believe in miracles like the 1980 US Hockey team's victory over the Soviets. Believe the dream!
12 Feb 2008, 12:02 #480
Tu_triky wrote:I think Gravel is going to make a comeback...I believe in miracles like the 1980 US Hockey team's victory over the Soviets. Believe the dream!

Is Mike Eruzione (sp?) Gravel's running mate? :hehe:

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