bmwracer wrote:
Is Mike Eruzione (sp?) Gravel's running mate? :hehe:
only during 3rd periods.
:bonk:
only during 3rd periods.
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Politics/Elections/World News
Started by pcmodem · 6 Oct 2004 · 1,480 replies
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only during 3rd periods.
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Takekaze wrote:I'm with Kijinnmaru.
And Clinton... please... Another Clinton? Wasn't Bill bad enough? I just need to look at the Kosovo, heck the whole Balkans, and brace myself for the next war down there.
I can't stand Hillary. Especially not when she starts rambling about her socialist dreams. She should come to Europe and experience how it doesn't work. No, I'm not talking about the Europe she knows, the one of the Intercontinental and Hilton Hotels. Not the one with champaign. I'm talking about the Europe of the normal people who pay massive taxes (want to pay up to 50% taxes on your salary? plus taxes on everything you buy? come to Europe). The Europe of the people who will soon end up paying almost 9 USD per gallon gasoline (once the EUSSR changes normal gasoline from 5% alcohol to 10% most cars will not be able to use it, since it's likely to damage the fuel tubes and possibly even the engine, most people will have to use "super plus", which, at least in Germany, is around 9 USD per gallon). The Europe of the people where public health insurances have massive defecits (in Austria for example: ~470 Million USD). The Europe with no-go areas for the natives thanks to uncontrolled immigration (the natives don't enter those areas, it's too dangerous, you can find those areas everywhere, in England, in Sweden, In Norway, in the Netherlands, in Germany), together with a skyrocketing crimerate (say something about that and you're called a Nazi in Europe, that's how it is). The Europe that is so weak that its treatment of criminals is a joke (20 year old repeated offenders, in Germany, are judged by youth laws; in Austria you get away with raping little girls, just bring in a psycholiar, errr, psychologist and you get a slap on your writs, even when you're a repeated offender). The Europe that spits on freedom of speech and democracy, thanks to the EUSSR (September 11th 2007, that's all I say, that was the date when European "democracy" and their idea of "freedom of speech" showed it's real face).
And don't forget one thing. The soldiers and marines in the US Armed Forces are volunteers. They are highly trained professionals who go wherever their government sends them. Of course, there are idiots like the city council of Berkley and the group of traitors like Code Pink, who have no idea of such things (how would they, they're leftover hippies from the 60s and 70s).
Iraq maybe down, but Al Quaeda is still out there. It's a pity that the US military is not allowed to fight them the way it should be done. Patton and McArthur never pussyfooted like the military today (no, they'd be combing cave by cave in the A-stan mountains, pour in some napalm and throw in a phosphorus grenade, those ragheads who don't get burned suffocate -> cave clear, no more terrorists). And why is it like this today? Because of the media, because of the hippies during the Vietnam War, because of their "baby killer" BS (that crap is still used today). The US troops aren't just defending America, they are also defending Europe, because Europe is too dumb to defend itself (thanks to European politicians). Anyone who doubts this: look at the Chad, the EU can't even deploy troops; look at the Lebanon and the complete disaster of the EU operation there; or look at how the old Gadhaffi made fools out of the EU politicians (which isn't too hard actually).
Oh, Kijinnmaru, I remember reading that one NVA officer, who was with the tanks that eventually took the southern capital, noted that the NVA was surprised over how fast they could advance into the south.
And honestly, I can't hear this "Bush lied about Iraq" BS. Even the MI6, the British, confirmed WMDs before the attack. That's Bush's fault as well, right? Bush made the intel specialists from MI6 lie, right? I was for Bush because he was the lesser evil. Kerry was... I won't go there. He can take his purple hearts and shove them where the sun doesn't shine, Mr "The Americans in Vietnam are warcriminals." Back stabbing swine, that's what he is.
Obviously the American Left (no, they are not Left, they are wannabe-leftists, they have long since betrayed the ideals of the Left movement, just like the Left wing in Europe, they've all betrayed it) wants another 9-11.
Oh, btw... I forgot... did you know that the percentage of murder cases in Berlin is now as high as in good old New York? I remember when I was a kid, people used to say that they didn't want "American situations" in Europe. Well, seems we're getting them anyway. And the difference is, an American citizen can defend himself properly. Here? Forget it. Here, if you defend yourself, you're the one who's life will be in danger (Germany, city of Cologne, in the area named Kalk a little foreign boy tried to rob a German at knifepoint, the German defended himself, the little raghead got killed accidentally, clear case of self defense police and local prosecutor concluded; well, it's not over with that, because now you have a muslim lynch mob demanding their idea of "justice", heavily supported by wannabe-leftists and German anti-Germans and now the victim of the attempted robbery and his family are in danger).
Thank you very much for this post! :D
Agreed.
PS: Notice how it was ignored by others? Perhaps they had nothing to say? Or even couldn't say anything at all?!
Talk is cheap. Truth is expensive. Oppossing truth is easy however, oppossing truth with facts and an argumentative position is extremely hard, if not impossible.
Hence the term "SPIN"
Sorry to all liberals who disagree, or even take offense.
I believe in the statements above.
I am an asshole. (And I acknowledge others' thinking of me as such)
I speak using the 1st amendment.
I am drunk and don't care about the reprecussions of this post.
I hate ALL Clintons. (Bill didn't do sh*t, but get a bl*w job, and decline Bin Laden's head on a silver platter in which was offered to him)
ahochaude wrote:PS: Notice how it was ignored by others? Perhaps they had nothing to say? Or even couldn't say anything at all?!
I don't read or listen to political rants... From either side of the political fence.
Barack Obama wins the Virginia Democratic Primary... :victory:
bmwracer wrote:Barack Obama wins the Virginia Democratic Primary... :victory:
Obama is whoopin' ass. The probably already did a couple of BANZAI cheers in his hometown of Obama, Japan.
:jumpie:
Notice how it was ignored by others?
No point in arguing with a parrot. Drunk or sober.
Tu_triky wrote:Obama is whoopin' ass. The probably already did a couple of BANZAI cheers in his hometown of Obama, Japan.
:jumpie:
Count me in on that... He's taken D.C. and Maryland as well... :mrgreen: :thumbsup:
bmwracer wrote:
Count me in on that... He's taken D.C. and Maryland as well... :mrgreen: :thumbsup:
He's keepin' this thing hotly contest...if he had one or two more big wins he really would negate Clinton's lead in the superdelegates.
Tu_triky wrote:He's keepin' this thing hotly contest...if he had one or two more big wins he really would negate Clinton's lead in the superdelegates.
LOL, the entire Superdelgate thing sounds like something from a game show...
Which I guess what the election is. :beaten: :hehe:
Alex Trebek: "The Answer is: 'The Next President of the United States.'"
Contestant: "Who is Barack Obama?"
Alex: "That is correct...!" :woot: :dancing:
:hehe:
bmwracer wrote:
LOL, the entire Superdelgate thing sounds like something from a game show...
Which I guess what the election is. :beaten: :hehe:
Alex Trebek: "The Answer is: 'The Next President of the United States.'"
Contestant: "Who is Barack Obama?"
Alex: "That is correct...!" :woot: :dancing:
:hehe:
I have to profess my ignorance of it....I guess I wasn't really paying attention during the last election year.
Wow, Alex gets all the hot questions for Jeopardy. ;)
Geezer wrote:Notice how it was ignored by others?
No point in arguing with a parrot. Drunk or sober.
Geez, how are you?! You have not changed. I missed your wit and liberalism.
You know I always love reading political posts, not to mention the every now and then political debates that result from it.
Aside from politics, I think the only thing we have in common is J-ent, this forum, and our heavy smoking.
Regardless, the main thing is that I hope you've been well.
Hey-ho, Aho.
Itfs all good. Since my candidate bailed last month, my political platform is now:
A chicken in every pot.
A cigarette in every mouth.
A Japanese Ingenue on every arm.
Itfs all good. Since my candidate bailed last month, my political platform is now:
A chicken in every pot.
A cigarette in every mouth.
A Japanese Ingenue on every arm.
Geezer wrote:Hey-ho, Aho.
Itfs all good. Since my candidate bailed last month, my political platform is now:
A chicken in every pot.
A cigarette in every mouth.
A Japanese Ingenue on every arm.
That's be a winning platform, save for number two. :sweat:
BMW
This is a political thread. That means you have to read carefully. You have to be willing to parse.
I didn't say you had to smoke the cigarette.
In fact, you could just hold it for me. I'm always running out.
The same goes for #3.
What is "is" really, when you think about it?
This is a political thread. That means you have to read carefully. You have to be willing to parse.
I didn't say you had to smoke the cigarette.
In fact, you could just hold it for me. I'm always running out.
The same goes for #3.
What is "is" really, when you think about it?
Geezer wrote:BMW
This is a political thread. That means you have to read carefully. You have to be willing to parse.
I'm an engineer... I can't do that.
ON DEADLINE: Chickens come home to roost
By RON FOURNIER, Associated Press Writer
Tue Feb 12, 10:30 PM ET
For years, Bill and Hillary Clinton treated the Democratic National Committee and party activists as extensions of their White House ambitions, pawns in a game of success and survival. She may pay a high price for their selfishness soon.
Top Democrats, including some inside Hillary Clinton's campaign, say many party leaders — the so-called superdelegates — won't hesitate to ditch the former New York senator for Barack Obama if her political problems persist. Their loyalty to the first couple is built on shaky ground.
"If (Barack) Obama continues to win .... the whole raison d'etre for her campaign falls apart and we'll see people running from her campaign like rats on a ship," said Democratic strategist Jim Duffy, who is not aligned with either campaign.
The rats started looking for clear waters when Obama won Iowa, narrowly lost New Hampshire and trounced Clinton in South Carolina before holding his own in last week's Super Tuesday contests. He won primaries in Virginia, Maryland and the District of Columbia on Tuesday to extend his consecutive win streak to eight.
Obama has won 23 of 35 contests, earning the majority of delegates awarded on the basis of election results. The remaining 796 delegates are elected officials and party leaders whose votes are not tied to state primaries or caucuses; thus, they are dubbed "superdelegates."
And they are not all super fans of the Clintons.
Some are labor leaders still angry that Bill Clinton championed the North American Free Trade Agreement as part of his centrist agenda.
Some are social activists who lobbied unsuccessfully to get him to veto welfare reform legislation, a talking point for his 1996 re-election campaign.
Some served in Congress when the Clintons dismissed their advice on health care reform in 1993. Some called her a bully at the time.
Some are DNC members who saw the party committee weakened under the Clintons and watched President Bush use the White House to build up the Republican National Committee.
Some are senators who had to defend Clinton for lying to the country about his affair with Monica Lewinsky.
Some are allies of former Vice President Al Gore who still believe the Lewinsky scandal cost him the presidency in 2000.
Some are House members (or former House members) who still blame Clinton for Republicans seizing control of the House in 1994.
Some are donors who paid for the Clintons' campaigns and his presidential library.
Some are folks who owe the Clintons a favor but still feel betrayed or taken for granted. Could that be why Bill Richardson, a former U.N. secretary and energy secretary in the Clinton administration, refused to endorse her even after an angry call from the former president? "What," Bill Clinton reportedly asked Richardson, "isn't two Cabinet posts enough?"
And some just want something new. They appreciate the fact that Clinton was a successful president and his wife was an able partner, but they never loved the couple as much as they feared them.
Never count the Clintons out. They are brilliant politicians who defied conventional wisdom countless times in Arkansas and Washington. But time is running out.
Two senior Clinton advisers, speaking on condition of anonymity to discuss the race candidly, said the campaign feels the New York senator needs to quickly change the dynamic by forcing Obama into a poor debate performance, going negative or encouraging the media to attack Obama. They're grasping at straws, but the advisers said they can't see any other way that her campaign will be sustainable after losing 10 in a row.
Clinton strategists are famous for poor-mouthing their own campaign in order to lower expectations, but these advisers have never played such games. They're legitimate, and legitimately worried.
The fear inside the Clinton camp is that Obama will win Hawaii and Wisconsin next week and head into the March 4 contests for Ohio and Texas with a 10-race winning streak. Her poll numbers will drop in Texas and Ohio, Clinton aides fear, and party leaders will start hankering for an end to the fight.
Clinton should find little comfort in the fact that she has secured 242 superdelegates to Obama's 160.
"I would make the assumption that the ... superdelegates she has now are the Clintons' loyal base. A superdelegate who is uncommitted today is clearly going to wait and see how this plays out. She's at her zenith now," Duffy said. "Whatever political capital or IOUs that exist, she's already collected."
Few Democrats want to cross the Clintons when they're on top. But how many are willing to stand by them when they're down?
___
EDITOR'S NOTE — Ron Fournier has covered politics for The Associated Press for nearly 20 years. On Deadline is an occasional column.
By RON FOURNIER, Associated Press Writer
Tue Feb 12, 10:30 PM ET
For years, Bill and Hillary Clinton treated the Democratic National Committee and party activists as extensions of their White House ambitions, pawns in a game of success and survival. She may pay a high price for their selfishness soon.
Top Democrats, including some inside Hillary Clinton's campaign, say many party leaders — the so-called superdelegates — won't hesitate to ditch the former New York senator for Barack Obama if her political problems persist. Their loyalty to the first couple is built on shaky ground.
"If (Barack) Obama continues to win .... the whole raison d'etre for her campaign falls apart and we'll see people running from her campaign like rats on a ship," said Democratic strategist Jim Duffy, who is not aligned with either campaign.
The rats started looking for clear waters when Obama won Iowa, narrowly lost New Hampshire and trounced Clinton in South Carolina before holding his own in last week's Super Tuesday contests. He won primaries in Virginia, Maryland and the District of Columbia on Tuesday to extend his consecutive win streak to eight.
Obama has won 23 of 35 contests, earning the majority of delegates awarded on the basis of election results. The remaining 796 delegates are elected officials and party leaders whose votes are not tied to state primaries or caucuses; thus, they are dubbed "superdelegates."
And they are not all super fans of the Clintons.
Some are labor leaders still angry that Bill Clinton championed the North American Free Trade Agreement as part of his centrist agenda.
Some are social activists who lobbied unsuccessfully to get him to veto welfare reform legislation, a talking point for his 1996 re-election campaign.
Some served in Congress when the Clintons dismissed their advice on health care reform in 1993. Some called her a bully at the time.
Some are DNC members who saw the party committee weakened under the Clintons and watched President Bush use the White House to build up the Republican National Committee.
Some are senators who had to defend Clinton for lying to the country about his affair with Monica Lewinsky.
Some are allies of former Vice President Al Gore who still believe the Lewinsky scandal cost him the presidency in 2000.
Some are House members (or former House members) who still blame Clinton for Republicans seizing control of the House in 1994.
Some are donors who paid for the Clintons' campaigns and his presidential library.
Some are folks who owe the Clintons a favor but still feel betrayed or taken for granted. Could that be why Bill Richardson, a former U.N. secretary and energy secretary in the Clinton administration, refused to endorse her even after an angry call from the former president? "What," Bill Clinton reportedly asked Richardson, "isn't two Cabinet posts enough?"
And some just want something new. They appreciate the fact that Clinton was a successful president and his wife was an able partner, but they never loved the couple as much as they feared them.
Never count the Clintons out. They are brilliant politicians who defied conventional wisdom countless times in Arkansas and Washington. But time is running out.
Two senior Clinton advisers, speaking on condition of anonymity to discuss the race candidly, said the campaign feels the New York senator needs to quickly change the dynamic by forcing Obama into a poor debate performance, going negative or encouraging the media to attack Obama. They're grasping at straws, but the advisers said they can't see any other way that her campaign will be sustainable after losing 10 in a row.
Clinton strategists are famous for poor-mouthing their own campaign in order to lower expectations, but these advisers have never played such games. They're legitimate, and legitimately worried.
The fear inside the Clinton camp is that Obama will win Hawaii and Wisconsin next week and head into the March 4 contests for Ohio and Texas with a 10-race winning streak. Her poll numbers will drop in Texas and Ohio, Clinton aides fear, and party leaders will start hankering for an end to the fight.
Clinton should find little comfort in the fact that she has secured 242 superdelegates to Obama's 160.
"I would make the assumption that the ... superdelegates she has now are the Clintons' loyal base. A superdelegate who is uncommitted today is clearly going to wait and see how this plays out. She's at her zenith now," Duffy said. "Whatever political capital or IOUs that exist, she's already collected."
Few Democrats want to cross the Clintons when they're on top. But how many are willing to stand by them when they're down?
___
EDITOR'S NOTE — Ron Fournier has covered politics for The Associated Press for nearly 20 years. On Deadline is an occasional column.
Wow.
Time for Hillary to start crying once again. :beaten:
Time for Hillary to start crying once again. :beaten:
Geezer wrote: In fact, you could just hold it for me. I'm always running out.
The same goes for #3.
lol
Nice. I totally agree, as the same situation applies to myself. :beaten:
Good to see you're doing okay, Geez.
How long has it been since we last (directly) conversed? -Doesn't time (and age) fly by?!
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