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bmwracer wrote:^ Yup. Been reading the GOP post-mortem at HuffPost. :victory:

Nice. I like how they said she wanted to speak after McCain gave his concession speech and the campaign staff vetoed that decision. Good. Finally some over there is all for "less winkin' and more thinkin'."

Tu_triky wrote:Nice. I like how they said she wanted to speak after McCain gave his concession speech and the campaign staff vetoed that decision. Good. Finally some over there is all for "less winkin' and more thinkin'."

Funny thing is they waited 'til McCain was done in the election before making that realization.

bmwracer wrote:
Funny thing is they waited 'til McCain was done in the election before making that realization.

The Munsters were always a happy go lucky bunch.

Excerpts from Yahoo! Buzz ( http://buzz.yahoo.com/buzzlog/92001 ):

What if the whole world could vote?
The Economist projected how the entire world would vote for president. The results are as stunning as they are blue. If every country had a say in the Electoral College, the news magazine projects that Obama would beat McCain 9,115 to 203. The only countries in McCain's column: Algeria, The Democratic Republic of Congo, and Iraq. Everywhere else is either Obama's or a toss-up (yes, that includes Kenya).

Obama's world-wide popularity, Part II.
Various news outlets, including the Associated Press, reported that Obama's victory "unleashed a global tide of admiration, hopes for change and even renewed love for the United States." Around the globe, folks from France, Indonesia, South Africa, Japan, and other countries expressed hope and support for Obama's promise of change.

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obama burger! :shocked:
there must be a beckham burger somewhere but maybe not in la. :hehe:

kenjilina wrote:

obama burger! :shocked:
there must be a beckham burger somewhere but maybe not in la. :hehe:

They have a Beckham Bruschetta in Milan tho'. :hehe:

kenjilina wrote:

obama burger! :shocked:
there must be a beckham burger somewhere but maybe not in la. :hehe:

What else would you call a burger made in the town of Obama?

bmwracer wrote:And Yes on Prop 8 is winning at the moment. :bleh:

well, christians and others support yes on prop 8.
it says in the bible that marriage is between a man and a woman.
people who vote in favor of prop 8 are not trying to increase discrimination.
they're trying to keep marriage the way God wants it to be.

bmwracer wrote:It's amazing how deluded these people are to vote Yes on 8: it's basically saying "I'm in favor of discrimination."

And a lot of these same people voting Yes on 8 are minorities, who probably know all too well about discrimination.


Freakin' insane. :shakehead:

minorities like who??? where's the proof???
and you shouldn't assume that everyone who are voting for prop 8 are in favor of discrimination.
that's not the case at all, or not in the case of the people i know who are voting for it at least.

judochick wrote:well, christians and others support yes on prop 8.
it says in the bible that marriage is between a man and a woman.
people who vote in favor of prop 8 are not trying to increase discrimination.
they're trying to keep marriage the way God wants it to be.

So you're anti-gay?

History has shown that at one time interracial marriage was also taboo, if not against the law... Is not allowing gays to get married any different?

If you deny a certain group their civil rights because of race, gender, sexual orientation, age, etc. isn't that discrimination?

judochick wrote:minorities like who??? where's the proof???
and you shouldn't assume that everyone who are voting for prop 8 are in favor of discrimination.
that's not the case at all, or not in the case of the people i know who are voting for it at least.

Excerpt from Yahoo! News ( http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081105/ap_on_el_ge/gay_marriage ):

Exit polls revealed dramatic demographic gaps in the gay-marriage vote. While 63 percent of voters under 30 opposed the ban, 59 percent of those 65 and older supported it. There were sharp racial discrepancies as well. Even as black voters overwhelmingly backed Barack Obama \ a gay-rights supporter \ in the presidential race, 70 percent of them voted against gay marriage, compared with 47 percent of white voters.

bmwracer wrote:
History has shown that at one time interracial marriage was also taboo, if not against the law... Is not allowing gays to get married any different?

So you would be OK with interspecies marriage also? :P

Anime Dad wrote:So you would be OK with interspecies marriage also? :P

Whatever turns you on, A-Dad. :P

You guys really like your sheep Down Under, ne? :hehe:

bmwracer wrote:
Whatever turns you on, A-Dad. :P

You guys really like your sheep Down Under, ne? :hehe:

Not me... that's New Zealanders ;)

judochick wrote:

well, christians and others support yes on prop 8.
it says in the bible that marriage is between a man and a woman.
people who vote in favor of prop 8 are not trying to increase discrimination.
they're trying to keep marriage the way God wants it to be.

Marriage is a Medieval invention. In the days of the bible, all you needed was a "bond", there is no such word as "marriage" in the original bible. I've asked numerous religious people to show me where the definition of "marriage" is in ALL, and i mean ALL translations. That includes, King James, NIV, etc. None have been able to do so.

If the intent is to keep marriage as the bible wanted it, then tell all those people to stop using wedding rings. That is an old pagan rite that christianity assimilated into their rituals. The reason we have XMAS trees, Easter Lilies are and such are because christianity tends to assimilate native rituals in order to make the transition to christianity easier. it's been proven that christ wasn't even born in december, yet we celebrate it during that time. if christmas was SOOOOO damn important, wouldn't it be a good idea to figure out exactly what day is was so that christians could celebrate on the actual birthdate of the "Savior".

In fact, now that I think about it, Adam and Eve were never married. OH MY GOSH, if they had kids, that means that they had sex before marriage. SIN SIN SIN!!#!@#&*^!@*#%!@# They must've went to hell, i mean, who else was there to marry them?
Tell that to your "christian" friends and post what kind of silly excuse they come up with.

judochick wrote:

minorities like who??? where's the proof???
and you shouldn't assume that everyone who are voting for prop 8 are in favor of discrimination.
that's not the case at all, or not in the case of the people i know who are voting for it at least.

Go look up the results in numerous place. LATIMES website is a good place. They have the stats. NPR probably has the stats too.


btw, i'm not gay. I do actually believe in equal rights for all. I don't just pay it lip service.

krim, you got some really good points there.
i wasn't trying to argue with you guys.
i just said what was on my mind, so if i offended any of you, i apologize cuz that was truly not my intention.
but would any of you guys allow a man to marry his own biological daughter???
even if a guy really wanted to marry his daughter and the government wouldn't allow it, is that still discrimination?

judochick wrote:but would any of you guys allow a man to marry his own biological daughter???

That has nothing to do with Proposition 8.

It's about gay marriage, not marrying a blood relative.

bmwracer wrote:
That has nothing to do with Proposition 8.

It's about gay marriage, not marrying a blood relative.

yeah, i know. i'm not dumb :crazy:
my point is, if you don't think that not allowing a father to marry his daughter is not discrimintation, then you can't assume that not allowing a man marry a man is discrimination.

judochick wrote:my point is, if you don't think that not allowing a father to marry his daughter is not discrimintation, then you can't assume that not allowing a man marry a man is discrimination.

Like I said, you're talking about blood relatives vs. gay couples.

I don't assume preventing gay couples from marrying is discrimination... It IS discrimination.

And you didn't answer my question: are you anti-gay?

Hado Gay does not approve Prop 8. :mrgreen:

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