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12 Jan 2008, 15:12 #4161
Here's something you don't see every day:

For first time since '82, NBA upholds protest requiring replay

By PAUL NEWBERRY, AP Sports Writer
January 12, 2008

ATLANTA (AP) -- For the first time since 1982, the NBA is sending two teams back to the court for a do-over.

The Atlanta Hawks and Miami Heat must replay the final 51.9 seconds of their game last month because the official scorer ruled incorrectly that Shaquille O'Neal fouled out, the league said Friday.

The Hawks won 117-111 at home in overtime Dec. 19, but strike that one from the books. For now, playoff-contending Atlanta has one less win, while the Heat have one less loss on their hapless record.

"We're human. We make mistakes," Hawks owner Michael Gearon Jr. said. "There certainly wasn't anything malicious about it. We have one of the most senior scoring staffs in the league. They're good. It happened. There's not much we can do about it."

Making it a truly miserable day: Atlanta followed up NBA commissioner David Stern's decision by losing to Washington 102-98 in overtime.

The NBA said the replay will be held before Miami's next visit to Atlanta on March 8. Play will start from the time after O'Neal's disputed sixth foul, with the Hawks leading 114-111.

"Wait a minute! I picked up a win today, or lost a loss," Heat coach Pat Riley quipped in New Orleans before a 114-88 loss to the Hornets. "I can wake up tomorrow knowing there's one less loss."

The Hawks also were fined $50,000, with Stern ruling the team was "grossly negligent" in failing to address the mistake.

The protest is the first granted by the NBA since December 1982, when then-NBA commissioner Larry O'Brien upheld a request for a replay by the San Antonio Spurs after their 137-132 double-overtime loss to the Los Angeles Lakers the previous month.

The Spurs and Lakers finally finished the game in April 1983, with San Antonio winning 117-114.

The Hawks were caught off guard by Stern's ruling, feeling he was trying to send a message in light of another scoring mistake that occurred in Atlanta early last season.

"Come on," Gearon said. "You can see how many times coaches, assistant coaches and trainers walk up to (the scoring table) during a game. They're walking up there for a reason. They're asking questions, whether it's confirming timeout or points or other issues."

Team spokesman Arthur Triche said no one on the stat crew had been replaced, but changes have been made in the way they operate. Two people run the official book at courtside, while the four-person computer stat crew is 26 rows above the court in another press location. The two crews are supposed to check with each other if any discrepancies come up.

"While it was an honest mistake made on the table, there was a communication breakdown in not following through the procedures that are in place," Triche said. "That's why we're in this predicament."

The Hawks were leading 112-111 in overtime when O'Neal was called for a foul. The official scorers said it was the Miami center's sixth foul, when actually it was only his fifth.

The mistake stemmed from a foul with 3:24 remaining in the fourth quarter that was called on Udonis Haslem but was mistakenly credited to O'Neal at the scoring table.

"That's crazy, man! I don't even think I can play because I fouled out," Atlanta's Josh Smith said. "David Stern is the head honcho, so if he says we've got to play another 51 seconds that's what we've got to play. Bottom line."

Stern ruled the Hawks "failed to follow league-mandated scoring procedures and failed to respond effectively when the members of the statisticians' crew noticed the mistake," the NBA said in a statement.

Said Haslem: "I'm not the kind of guy who likes to argue or cry over spilled milk, but we've got a second chance so we'll try to make the best of it."

While the Heat are having an awful season, dropping back to 8-28 before the day was done to remain last in the Eastern Conference, the decision could have a profound impact on Atlanta's hopes of making the playoffs for the first time since 1999.

The Hawks went from .500 to two games under (15-17) in one day, though they still hold the eighth -- and final -- spot in the East. Imagine if they lose the replay, then miss the playoffs by one game.

"Bottom line is we're here to try to make the playoffs," coach Mike Woodson said. "You've got to live with it. We'll face those 51 seconds in March."

The NBA requires the official scorers to coordinate foul calls with the rest of the stat crew during every timeout. That apparently didn't happen in this case, resulting in the mistake going unnoticed until after the game, when the Hawks put out revised boxes showing O'Neal with six fouls.

"Other than filing the protest, I haven't given it any thought since then. It wasn't until everybody started doing some research on all of the things that went on behind the scenes," Riley said.

"I don't really know what the checks and balances are for fouls and how they're done. I think the league felt we probably deserved an opportunity to go back and play the last 51 seconds."

Especially because this involved Atlanta, where another statistical problem occurred just last season.

On Nov. 24, 2006, the official scorer failed to credit Toronto's T.J. Ford with a basket that would have given the Raptors a late tie and an opportunity to change the outcome of a 97-93 loss.

"Because of this conduct by Atlanta's personnel, Miami suffered a clear competitive disadvantage, as O'Neal -- the Heat's second-leading scorer and rebounder that night -- was removed from a one-point game with only 51.9 seconds remaining," the NBA statement said.

On the NBA's official Web site, those final 51 seconds have already been wiped from the books. The Dec. 19 schedule shows 12 games as finals, but the one in Atlanta is still in progress. The box score and play-by-play are on hold.

Al Horford hit two free throws after O'Neal's foul to put the Hawks up 114-111. That's where the game will resume.

Miami's ball.

"It's always something with the Hawks," Atlanta's Tyronn Lue said. "It's a bad business, man, but we'll get through it."

Original Story
13 Jan 2008, 02:03 #4162
dochira wrote:Here's something you don't see every day:

For first time since '82, NBA upholds protest requiring replay

VERY unusual... Hope the Heat still end up losing... :twisted:
14 Jan 2008, 13:06 #4163
Lakers defeat the Grizz, 100-99, but at a cost: Andrew Bynum sprained his knee... :sweat: :sweat: :sweat:
15 Jan 2008, 13:14 #4164
The Lakers' Andrew Bynum is expected to be out a minimum of eight weeks.

Itai. :puppydog: :puppydog: :puppydog:

And they're struggling against Seattle, 103-100, with five minutes left in the game. :fingerscrossed: :sweat:
15 Jan 2008, 14:19 #4165
Lakers manage to win, 123-121, after Kobe hurls up 44 shots for 48 points.


Looks like the old, one-trick pony Lakers are back. :sweat: :sweat: :sweat:
15 Jan 2008, 21:18 #4166
bmwracer wrote:Lakers manage to win, 123-121, after Kobe hurls up 44 shots for 48 points.
Well, Odom shot 3 for 15, which means if he were to score 48 points he would have to have taken, , , 108 shots :shoot: [/list:u]
15 Jan 2008, 23:03 #4167
gaijinmark wrote: Well, Odom shot 3 for 15,[/list:u]

I'll bet at least half of those shots were three-pointers. :shakehead:

Lame-R.

According to the Times, the Lakes are now hunting for another big man: Chris Webber, P.J. Brown, etc....
18 Jan 2008, 13:10 #4168
The Andrew Bynum-less Lakers are struggling against the Suns, trailing 56-43, at the half, shooting 31%. :sweat: :shakehead:
18 Jan 2008, 22:51 #4169
From the L.A. Times Sports, Morning Briefing:

Big target

Fans and coaches alike have been frustrated with the Lakers' Kwame Brown. That's because, though quick and athletic, the 6-foot-11 forward-center who was the overall No. 1 pick in the 2001 NBA draft by the Washington Wizards, has not consistently played up to his potential.

Abdul-Jabbar, now a Lakers special assistant coach, was asked if he was able to convey to Brown the fundamentals of playing center.

"It's hard to get through to him," said Abdul-Jabbar, who passed off the question to Jackson.

Said the coach: "I've called him a knucklehead from time to time. You've got to lead him to water, then force him to drink."

Added Jackson: "I've told him, 'When Kobe shoots, you've got to go get the rebound.' "

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The next two months look to be agony for Laker fans. :sweat: :bleh:
18 Jan 2008, 23:11 #4170
bmwracer wrote:
The next two months look to be agony for Laker fans. :sweat: :bleh:
I'd rather play it safe with Bynum, not rush him back too soon and end up aggravating things even worse. [/list:u] Re Kwame: If he ain't figured it out by now, he never will, we'll just have to grit our teeth and bear with it. :beaten: [/list:u]
18 Jan 2008, 23:21 #4171
gaijinmark wrote:Re Kwame: If he ain't figured it out by now, he never will, we'll just have to grit our teeth and bear with it. :beaten: [/list:u]

Kwame hasn't.

As the Sports section noted, Kwame blew a number of layups and dunks... Much to the ire of the fans.


And Kwame also led an SI poll (of NBA players) with the question "Which player gets the least out of the most talent?"

Ack. :shakehead:
20 Jan 2008, 00:24 #4172
bmwracer wrote:
Kwame hasn't.

As the Sports section noted, Kwame blew a number of layups and dunks... Much to the ire of the fans.


And Kwame also led an SI poll (of NBA players) with the question "Which player gets the least out of the most talent?"

Ack. :shakehead:


Ahha ... poetic justice ... this is what the Lakers and their fans get for trading Caron Butler (averaging 22pts, 7rbds) ... for a big stiff in Kwame (5pts, 5rbds) :bonk: :bonk:

Talk about a No.1 draft bust ... :doh:
20 Jan 2008, 00:31 #4173
adub2adub wrote:Ahha ... poetic justice ... this is what the Lakers and their fans get for trading Caron Butler (averaging 22pts, 7rbds) ... for a big stiff in Kwame (5pts, 5rbds) :bonk: :bonk:

Talk about a No.1 draft bust ... :doh:

Yeah, Butler was an up-and-coming player... A Mitch Kupchak bonehead play.

Sure, the Lakes needed a center, but did they get one?

NO.

Instead, they got Kwame "Hands of Stone" Brown. :bleh:

What a total bust. :shakehead: :shakehead: :shakehead:
21 Jan 2008, 14:45 #4174
Lame-R is a jinx.

During practice today, he got tangled up with Trevor Ariza and now Ariza has a broken foot... :shakehead:

Just over a week ago, Andrew Bynum stepped on Lame-R's foot accidentally during a game and Bynum is out for two months....

Lakers are in BIG trouble. :sweat: :sweat: :sweat:
22 Jan 2008, 14:51 #4175
Lakers defeat the Nuggets, 116-99, at the Staples Center.

Trevor Ariza is expected to be out eight weeks, along with Andrew Bynum.

To shore up the center position, the Lakers sign DJ Mbenga to a 10-day contract.
26 Jan 2008, 12:41 #4176
Lakers lose their second in a row, this one to Dallas, 112-105.

The anxiety is starting to build in Lakerland. :sweat:
28 Jan 2008, 12:25 #4177
Lakers lose to the Cavs, 98-95... King James drops 41 on them.

That's three losses in a row. :sweat:
30 Jan 2008, 14:21 #4178
Lakers avoid losing to the lowly Knicks, 120-109, and end their three-game losing streak... :sweat:
31 Jan 2008, 23:12 #4179
Lakers start a nine-game long road trip in Detroit tonight... Their longest in franchise history... :sweat: :fingerscrossed:
1 Feb 2008, 12:06 #4180
Lakers lose 90-89, Kwame and Lamar shoot a COMBINED 2-10 :beatyou: Here's my vote for Andrew Bynum for MVP.

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