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bmwracer wrote:The Kidd trade is on hold: Devean George is nixing the trade for the moment: http://tinyurl.com/2ft9bp

i think Kidd is a great player, but i am not sure if Mav's should give up Harris, Diop and Stackhouse, that is the great bench role players right there. We'll see if this goes thru or not.

qilver wrote:i think Kidd is a great player, but i am not sure if Mav's should give up Harris, Diop and Stackhouse, that is the great bench role players right there. We'll see if this goes thru or not.

I think it eventually will.

Wow, the Pau Gasol trade sure did create a chain reaction... :hehe:

Looking forward to seeing Shaq crash and burn... He'll make an impact at the beginning, but he's so outta shape, he'll be stew meat come playoff time.

EDIT: Hey, glad you're back... No one else to talk hoops with. :victory:

bmwracer wrote:
I think it eventually will.

Wow, the Pau Gasol trade sure did create a chain reaction... :hehe:

Looking forward to seeing Shaq crash and burn... He'll make an impact at the beginning, but he's so outta shape, he'll be stew meat come playoff time.

EDIT: Hey, glad you're back... No one else to talk hoops with. :victory:

yeah, i will try to be active in select few threads....japan, relationship, akb...nba, ...

i honestly think Shaq will take awhile to adapt the running style, he is at the end of his career. But with a great point guard and good passing team as Phx is, Shaq will get easy looks to the basket and could fit in, in time.

one team that really amazes me, as i always liked them are the GSW, they came from 23 down to beat them in the last minute, at Oakland, a team they should be beating at home, but at 31 wins so far, i am truly impressed with this team.

qilver wrote:one team that really amazes me, as i always liked them are the GSW, they came from 23 down to beat them in the last minute, at Oakland, a team they should be beating at home, but at 31 wins so far, i am truly impressed with this team.

Yeah, the W's are a scary team at times... And one that most teams don't want to play in the playoffs... :sweat:

bmwracer wrote:
Yeah, the W's are a scary team at times... And one that most teams don't want to play in the playoffs... :sweat:

they have beaten some high caliber teams, they have even beaten Phx Suns on their home court, that is impressive. Yet at times the Warriors lost some easy ones, but overall, i'd say this year they have done much better and they are improved. They are a high scoring team, that can score in bunches and fast!, they closed out Washington on a 23-10 run, and won!, and looking at the scores the Warriors just won again, this time against Phx Suns, 120-118. Warriors are playing awesome! :bonk: :applaud:

The Suns / Warriors game last night might have been the most fun I've had watching basketball in years.

The Warriors sat old and out of shape Chris Webber, and the Suns sat old and out of shape Shaq, and the two teams came out and played a 100 mph from beginning to end.

There was never a moment during the game when there was time to blink.

Very cool.

qilver wrote:

i think Kidd is a great player, but i am not sure if Mav's should give up Harris, Diop and Stackhouse, that is the great bench role players right there. We'll see if this goes thru or not.

I agree. However, Devin Harris isn't a bench/role player anymore. If Jason Terry wasn't so short, Harris would be the starter all the time. Diop is the Mavs most athletic big man, considering Dirk is a major Softie and Dampier is a major Stiff. Stackhouse is 6th Man-of-Yr material. Kidd will be good for JHoward and Dirk in short-term, but he's getting up there in age, is slow, and still has no jumpshot.

On flip side, very good deal for Nets. Some expiring contracts, cap relief, and a very good PG for the future! :mrgreen:

bmwracer wrote:
Yeah, the W's are a scary team at times... And one that most teams don't want to play in the playoffs... :sweat:

If BDavis and crew even get to the playoffs that is ....

Gut feeling right now, Rockets and Nuggets will be in, but GS won't be. :crazy:

Geezer wrote:
The Warriors sat old and out of shape Chris Webber, and the Suns sat old and out of shape Shaq, and the two teams came out and played a 100 mph from beginning to end.

Both trades, for Webba and Big Shaqtus, still befuddle me. Both are aging has-beens that go to teams that thrive on "running-gunning". Don Nelson admitted that Webber would be too slow, that's why he didn't even play in the last game. At least he's not being paid $20M/yr. :doh:

Amazing: no one visits the hoops thread, then one mention of the W's and it's standing room only. :sweat:

adub2adub wrote:

If BDavis and crew even get to the playoffs that is ....

Gut feeling right now, Rockets and Nuggets will be in, but GS won't be. :crazy:

Warriors are finishing off before the all-star break at 32-20, a better record compared to last year at this time. with 30 games left, even if they were to split the remaining games, i'd say they still have a fair chance, given the fact that the 8, 9, 10 place teams continue to go under .500

I'd say with a rising Monta Ellis, and a healthy B Davis, and the Cap'tn Jack, they look good! This team is quite fast! and its hard to keep up with this team. It is apparent on what areas they do lack in, in Rebounding and in Defensive, but they seem to make up for it in their running style, and outstanding shooting, and drives to the hoops thanks to their guards. So much versatility with this team!

adub2adub wrote:

I agree. However, Devin Harris isn't a bench/role player anymore. If Jason Terry wasn't so short, Harris would be the starter all the time. Diop is the Mavs most athletic big man, considering Dirk is a major Softie and Dampier is a major Stiff. Stackhouse is 6th Man-of-Yr material. Kidd will be good for JHoward and Dirk in short-term, but he's getting up there in age, is slow, and still has no jumpshot.

On flip side, very good deal for Nets. Some expiring contracts, cap relief, and a very good PG for the future! :mrgreen:

Cuban wants this trade to go thru, Devon George might delay things, we'll see.....Kidd will help this team out, but in the short-run only. Harris is really improving and will help out his new team if this trade goes thru. Stack, once healthy if he goes back to the Mav's will help out their bench.

qilver wrote:It is apparent on what areas they do lack in, in Rebounding and in Defensive, but they seem to make up for it in their running style, and outstanding shooting, and drives to the hoops thanks to their guards. So much versatility with this team!

Problem with that style is the playoffs: opponents will slow the pace and force the half court game...

Haven't seen a team since the Showtime Lakers who could pull that off and win it all... But they had a half court game, too: namely Kareem Abdul-Jabbar. :victory:

bmwracer wrote:
Problem with that style is the playoffs: opponents will slow the pace and force the half court game...

Haven't seen a team since the Showtime Lakers who could pull that off and win it all... But they had a half court game, too: namely Kareem Abdul-Jabbar. :victory:

I fully agree. I think you may even see a Spurs-Pistons final, as boring as that may seem, let's face it, these two teams have the finals experience, and the team unity, and discipline to sustain thru 48 minutes and have a very strong defensive game, with players that can shoot the ball, and have a lowpost game, while being able to run when necessary. No other teams have that, their winning records this season are evidence to that. I just hope other more exciting teams dethrone them, such as Celtics, Phx, Warriors, Orlando, etc..

qilver wrote:I fully agree. I think you may even see a Spurs-Pistons final, as boring as that may seem, let's face it, these two teams have the finals experience, and the team unity, and discipline to sustain thru 48 minutes and have a very strong defensive game, with players that can shoot the ball, and have a lowpost game, while being able to run when necessary. No other teams have that, their winning records this season are evidence to that. I just hope other more exciting teams dethrone them, such as Celtics, Phx, Warriors, Orlando, etc..

Not the Celtics!!!!!! :bleh: :bleh: :bleh:

bmwracer wrote:Amazing: no one visits the hoops thread, then one mention of the W's and it's standing room only. :sweat:

Well, not exactly ... I think it's just not everybody is a Lakers fan here .. :shakehead: ... and don't really care to respond to your Laker updates (which I notice are the only posts sometimes) :beaten:

Trade talk and speculations, particularly on the MEGA ones in the last 2 weeks, is much more interesting IMO. :mrgreen:

**Btw, I hope I don't come off as too harsh on the first comment .. updates on scores are always appreciated :victory: ... as long as they're not of the Fakers... I mean Lakers. :nut:

qilver wrote:
I'd say with a rising Monta Ellis, and a healthy B Davis, and the Cap'tn Jack, they look good! This team is quite fast! and its hard to keep up with this team. It is apparent on what areas they do lack in, in Rebounding and in Defensive, but they seem to make up for it in their running style, and outstanding shooting, and drives to the hoops thanks to their guards. So much versatility with this team!

Yes, of course! They are a definite mismatch problem for many teams (i.e. Dallas Mavs) ... but their style gets exposed against good teams that have a physical big man with skillz (ala Boozer of Jazz, Duncan of Spurs). Remember, Warriors lost last yrs playoffs to Jazz cause CBoozer just dominated the inside.

adub2adub wrote:

Well, not exactly ... I think it's just not everybody is a Lakers fan here .. :shakehead: ... and don't really care to respond to your Laker updates (which I notice are the only posts sometimes) :beaten:

Trade talk and speculations, particularly on the MEGA ones in the last 2 weeks, is much more interesting IMO. :mrgreen:

**Btw, I hope I don't come off as too harsh on the first comment .. updates on scores are always appreciated :victory: ... as long as they're not of the Fakers... I mean Lakers. :nut:

as the outspoken veteran, i do have to say that to each his or her own...i am guessing most of us on this thread are men, anyhow....i personally like the Lakers too, but i am not nearly as a big fan as BMW...I love the Phx Suns and Warriors. I also like the ailing Clips but this year is a bag'd year. My point is that, we are hear to share NBA and not get under anyone's skin here, whether you are not a Laker fan or not, is irrevelant and it doesn't really matter. What matters is we discuss with an open mind on teams. If you want to state your opinions, that is fine, but we can discuss trade and how badly some teams are playing, like the Miami Heat, and Marion wanting out of Phx and going utimately from a great team to a bad bad team. then..out of curiousity, what is it that you hate about Lakers? a few years ago they were crap...playing like a team disoriented, but look at their record now, and getting a premier player alongside Kobe can make this team a serious contender. Shaq haters, will, he just happens to be on my favorite team, besides my other fave team W's. We'll see how he adjusts and fits in.

adub2adub wrote:

Yes, of course! They are a definite mismatch problem for many teams (i.e. Dallas Mavs) ... but their style gets exposed against good teams that have a physical big man with skillz (ala Boozer of Jazz, Duncan of Spurs). Remember, Warriors lost last yrs playoffs to Jazz cause CBoozer just dominated the inside.

but yes...but then again ultimately Jazz fell to victim of the superior defense team oriented Spurs and Duncan.

adub2adub wrote:Well, not exactly ... I think it's just not everybody is a Lakers fan here .. :shakehead: ... and don't really care to respond to your Laker updates (which I notice are the only posts sometimes) :beaten:

Well, I'm not stopping anyone from posting scores of their favorite teams...

Or maybe you guys just don't give a shit about them.