I don't blame Shaq for feeling the way he does about Kobe. Kobe is all about me me me, what about the team ???? Kobe probably can score 45 in a given night if he gets the hot hand, but the team will possibly lose, we have all seen evidence of that lately. Look at the other day, Miami pulled one out and Kobe goes for 42. Shaq may not put up the huge monster numbers as he once did as a laker, but wade and company with shaq are finding ways to win. bottom line, Kobe is selfish and is like the bonds of basketball. Ask this, does he even care about his fans?
i can believe if the warriors of old with Run TMC= tim hardaway, mitch richmond, and chris mullin beating the Kings, but NOW?!
The kings should've won, they choke yet again.. :shamefulcry:
qilver wrote:I don't blame Shaq for feeling the way he does about Kobe. Kobe is all about me me me, what about the team ????
Yeah, I agree that Kobe is hogging the ball too much and not distributing but once again, you guys seem to have short memories: hasn't Shaq been complaining from season to season about getting enough touches? If Shaq was so interested in "the team," why didn't he try harder to improve his FTs or try to get in shape for the season???
Reason: no dedication.
And he expects to be rewarded with a contract extension?
Ridiculous.
Kobe is selfish and is like the bonds of basketball. Ask this, does he even care about his fans
I don't see how you can compare those two... We've seen Bonds be a jerk on interviews and stuff, but Kobe's always answered questions and never been a prick (as far as I've seen) to reporters. Yeah, he's not the media darling like Shaq and a suck up, so Kobe's portrayed as being arrogant and smug...
Shaq's freethrow percentage this season, I think is down from last season. He just can't shoot from the line, Period. that is his weakness and downfall in close games. Other big past centers have had better shooting percentages on the line than shaq.
Ok, maybe kobe and bonds are nothing alike in terms of how they treat fans/ or media. Although i think Kobe is similar to bonds in terms of arrogance and selfishness. The fact is that they are both great athletes and simply one of the best in their professions, but as team players, i am not so sure. I think they both of them are over their heads and to not sign a kids autograph atleast with Bonds, that is just plain selfish and stupid.
Shaq and Kobe clashed big time, that is probably why Shaq was more vocal and complaining about it and ultimately he left. Who was more selfish?? clearly - Kobe - and well i didn't read Coach Jacksons book that is out now, but didn't he leave cause of Kobe too?
Kobe needs to get others involved, maybe he just feels that the others are not capable of helping with the load. M. Jordan scored a lot, but he also distributed the ball, he was the great leader of that team. He made others better and the team and believed in them.
bmwracer wrote:
Yeah, I agree that Kobe is hogging the ball too much and not distributing but once again, you guys seem to have short memories: hasn't Shaq been complaining from season to season about getting enough touches? If Shaq was so interested in "the team," why didn't he try harder to improve his FTs or try to get in shape for the season???
Reason: no dedication.
And he expects to be rewarded with a contract extension?
Ridiculous.
Well two things about giving the ball to Shaq or Kobe. One, I would want the ball in Shaq's hand so you can run the offense through. It's pretty evident that throwing it to a big man and then having your player run cuts through the lane and waiting for the defense to rotate the double team will score points. See the Kings and Spurs for good film on that. Giving the ball to a guard and letting him create opportunities doesn't always work. Sure we've seen Michael do it in Chicago but let's not forget MJ is MJ and Kobe is still not MJ. We've seen directly that Kobe's having a hard time getting people involved and that's clearly because he doesn't have the court sense of a Steve Nash or a Lebron James (Yes, I'm using Lebron since I honestly feel the guy is an extremely good passer). Anyways, I see the two differences in wanting the ball as two different types of offense. Obviously teams like the 76ers run the ball through AI, but does that type of offense always work? If you've got a guy like Kobe, defenses will just send a double team on he guy. Sure Kobe can break the double team but over a game where he's playing 40 minutes, he's still human and he's going to get tired.
@qilver: As far as Bonds being a jerk, I'm a Giants fan and Bonds is the Giants. Without Bonds the Giants would be worse than the devil rays and I mean that seriously. My neighbor hates his attitude and I've gone from a fan who wants him to be nicer to people to a fan that enjoys his attitude to the fans. It seems like he wants to be mean to people so they can hate him more. Like he thrives on hatred and wants nothing more than to show you up on the field. One thing about Bonds though that's certainly true is that he focuses more on the game than anyone else does and the results are pretty evident. As an athelete it's easy to talk to talk but how many can actually walk the walk. :hehe:
qilver wrote:Shaq's freethrow percentage this season, I think is down from last season. He just can't shoot from the line, Period. that is his weakness and downfall in close games. Other big past centers have had better shooting percentages on the line than shaq.
Like I said, no dedication to even try to improve, even after all these years.
Malone was an awful free thrower at the start of his career, but he made it a point to improve his FT shooting, so now he's around 75%, I think.
Although i think Kobe is similar to bonds in terms of arrogance and selfishness.
It's quite obvious that Kobe's pretty selfish on the court, but I haven't seen this or any arrogance in interviews...
I think they both of them are over their heads and to not sign a kids autograph atleast with Bonds, that is just plain selfish and stupid.
Again, I don't see how you can lump Kobe with Bonds. Has there been an incident with Kobe where he was a jerk about signing autographs??
eltinator wrote:Well two things about giving the ball to Shaq or Kobe. One, I would want the ball in Shaq's hand so you can run the offense through. It's pretty evident that throwing it to a big man and then having your player run cuts through the lane and waiting for the defense to rotate the double team will score points. See the Kings and Spurs for good film on that. Giving the ball to a guard and letting him create opportunities doesn't always work. Sure we've seen Michael do it in Chicago but let's not forget MJ is MJ and Kobe is still not MJ.
Agreed. But if Shaq was the team player he professes to be why would he whine to the media about getting touches rather than to Kobe of Phil?
Reason: because he's manipulating the media to make Kobe look like the bad guy. That's part of his game.
We've seen directly that Kobe's having a hard time getting people involved and that's clearly because he doesn't have the court sense of a Steve Nash or a Lebron James (Yes, I'm using Lebron since I honestly feel the guy is an extremely good passer).
That, I can agree on: Kobe has no business playing the point and his league-leading four turnovers per game are proof of that. He's the shooting guard. I don't understand why Rudy T. doesn't have Chucky Atkins or Tierre Brown or Sasha Vukhacic play point. Odd.
The miami heat just won their 12th game in a row, and Shaq had better numbers at the line 11 of 14 and 10 of 14 from the field, for 31 points. But only 7 rebounds, is this his career low in rebounding this season, what is his avg in rebounding?
Kobe is at the point?
I agree, he should be put at shooting guard and not be the main guy at the point. 4 t/o for kobe, what is his avg of t/o to assist ratio this yr?
Shaq does seem more vocal in talking to the media about kobe, ie, the corvette and the brick wall, the game was just hyped up. But kobe and shaq were the best 1 - 2 punch in the NBA, another good one, probably not as good were stockton - Malone, MJ - Pippen, there are probably others out there...
well Kobe is the more reserved of the two, Shaq has the bigger mouth and what he said about the him being the brick wall and kobe the corvette, that was too funny, can't believe he said that. He must have something big against kobe, like some sort of bitterness...i dunno.
yeah it should be Chucky at the point and kobe at shooting guard, not the reverse. maybe coach is having kobe at the point to create mismatches for the opposing team's point, since kobe is bigger and more athletic...
kobe dropped in 48 points last night as they won the lowly raptors. He sure is taking the load on his shoulders, what about his teammates? doesn't he believe in them? nonetheless, it was another great scoring performance. Lebron drops in 40 against the hawks.
Also, the spurs beat the suns and ended their 11 game winning streak. The miami's winstreak is put on the line when they face detroit on Thursday.
well, i've mentioned before that i don't follow the nba as avidly as i do the nfl. therefore, i'm just going to give the standpoint of a fan that only watches the nba recreationally:
to me, kobe has a lot of pressure placed on him (to be the next mj, carry the lakers, etc.). i feel he may have a chance to live up to the expectations on him, but he has a lot of growing up to do.
i know the media will portay what it wants to portray, but at times, you can just sense something in someone's attitude to see if they're genuine or not, and i just don't get that feeling from kobe. you just don't sense that leadership skill, maturity or humbleness that you get from peyton manning or tom brady.
when you start bringing up personal things in the media like teammates making a pass at your wife - after an offcourt case of infidelity, stating in an interview that 'i don't know shaq's number, but i got a msg to him through a mutual friend(??)', etc. that's not going to do much to help your case.
but i guess the most telling thing about a person's character is the people who know him well. i don't want to come off conceited, but i'm pretty confident that if i were to ever have my character questioned, i'd have a ton of people to back my integrity. i try my best to maintain a positive and professional character to everyone that i meet in life. which is why i wonder: how many people are actually BACKING kobe? if someone were to ever question peyton's behavior, i'd be astonished if every one of his teammates (high school, college, and pros) weren't there backing him up.
after all, bball is a team sport. the most important opinions (to me) are those of your teammates. i think kobe just needs to mature in that aspect of gaining back the respect of his teammates in order to fully move beyond all of this. i guess it just remains to be seen if he is able to do that.
The clippers won one at home against the Jazz, great game, Simmons was sure solid and so was brand.
Warriors? you are warriors fan? I used to like them more during the 90's of Run TMC era, but 4 in a row? it is nice to see them winning again, trying to rebuild their team.
The phoenix suns, after losing to the spurs and ending their streak at 11 wins in a row, they win tonight and hopefully start a new winning streak.
:rofl:
:doh:
yeah, a bummer, the winning streak ends for the Warriors.
Miami's streak is still alive at 14, i wonder if they can set a record by the most wins this season.
qilver wrote::doh:
yeah, a bummer, the winning streak ends for the Warriors.
Miami's streak is still alive at 14, i wonder if they can set a record by the most wins this season.
No way.
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