Kurosagi

elinovy wrote:Anyway, after rewatching nobuta wo produce and kurosagi...I became sentimental... :victory:
I want to post a serious comment ...
Kurosagi is a great drama because you can also learn many things from it.
From money transactions to tips in avoiding being swindled.
This kind of drama is advisable to all people.
It's not like other dramas wherein they just make you feel moved but in the end you gain nothing knowledge and values at all.
Kurosagi proves that watching dramas are not just wasting time because you can get more informations,wisdom and moral lessons out of it.
I can still remember that Nobuta wo produce and kurosagi are the reasons that made me watch more japanese dramas, so japanese entertainment should be thankful for having these series.
And these series won't be possible without the wonderful casts especially Maki Horikita and Yamashita Tomohisa.Picking the right casts to perform and portray roles is one of the big importance in a succession of a series.Ganbatte!yamaki!

No offence to those who enjoyed this drama but Kurosagi is easily one of the most overrated shows in recent years. I still can't believe I watched like 7 episodes before dropping it.

The story is quite interesting on paper but the actual execution is weak. The swindling is unconvincing and the acting leaves much to be desired.

Take out Yamashita Tomohisa from Kurosagi and I'm sure this drama wouldn't be as popular as it is now. But then again, like what elinovy has mentioned, it's good in a way that such dramas exist as a starting point for people to get into doramas.

estranged wrote:
No offence to those who enjoyed this drama but Kurosagi is easily one of the most overrated shows in recent years.

YESH! I totally agree. I enjoyed watching it but I would never clump it with the best... :sweat:

Take out Yamashita Tomohisa from Kurosagi and I'm sure this drama wouldn't be as popular as it is now.[/quote]

Again, I agree. When you read reviews, it's never about the actual drama. It's all about how grand YamaPi is. I think this is a "fangirl" drama, as opposed to one with any depth.

Wynter wrote:

Again, I agree. When you read reviews, it's never about the actual drama. It's all about how grand YamaPi is. I think this is a "fangirl" drama, as opposed to one with any depth.

Yeah..last time I thought this drama is great!But after few more dramas (Nodame,Gokusen,MBMH) I think this drama's attraction is not the storyline but YamaPi - as mentioned by Wyn-sensei..even myself watched it because of Pi-chan (not yet exposed to other actors/actresses except Kimutaku - thats why):hehe: ..nvm, at least I enjoyed it :hehe:

:victory:

Wynter wrote:When you read reviews, it's never about the actual drama. It's all about how grand YamaPi is.

Yuck. :bleh:

Just like Gokusen.

:shakehead:

What a waste of disc space.

estranged wrote:
No offence to those who enjoyed this drama but Kurosagi is easily one of the most overrated shows in recent years. I still can't believe I watched like 7 episodes before dropping it.

The story is quite interesting on paper but the actual execution is weak. The swindling is unconvincing and the acting leaves much to be desired.

Take out Yamashita Tomohisa from Kurosagi and I'm sure this drama wouldn't be as popular as it is now. But then again, like what elinovy has mentioned, it's good in a way that such dramas exist as a starting point for people to get into doramas.

Maybe you just don't understand the story...if you can't understand the story, you won't enjoy watching it...me,I will admit that at first I can't understand the story because there's many money transaction thing but when my aunt explain it to me and if you will read the manga...it will lead you...enjoying the story.

elinovy wrote:Maybe you just don't understand the story...if you can't understand the story, you won't enjoy watching it...me,I will admit that at first I can't understand the story because there's many money transaction thing but when my aunt explain it to me and if you will read the manga...it will lead you...enjoying the story.

The swindling processes were like so simple, basic and repetitive that it made this show uninteresting to watch. It just seems as though all the bad guys in the show were all so incredibly naive to have fallen for the swindling.

I was expecting something more intelligent but it just turned out to be a show for fangirls to ogle at Yamapi in various disguises.

estranged wrote:
The swindling processes were like so simple, basic and repetitive that it made this show uninteresting to watch. It just seems as though all the bad guys in the show were all so incredibly naive to have fallen for the swindling.

I was expecting something more intelligent but it just turned out to be a show for fangirls to ogle at Yamapi in various disguises.

Ok.I got what you mean.
Sorry but many people is not as smart as you.
Since you're intelligent,How about..you make a kurosagi sequel with MORE intelligent transactions rather than kurosagi.

elinovy wrote:Ok.I got what you mean.
Sorry but many people is not as smart as you.
Since you're intelligent,How about..you make a kurosagi sequel with MORE intelligent transactions rather than kurosagi.

Woah, chill dude.
I'm just expressing my opinion on this show. There's no really no need for you to assume the level of my intelligence or make any other personal comments when you don't even know me personally. Please keep to the discusssion of the show instead.

I'm not trying to make an argument with you.
Actually,I don't even expect that your response will be like that.
I'm just suggesting how about to make a kurosagi sequel since your intelligent base on your post before that you're expecting a more intelligent case.

I wouldn't make a sequel for Kurosagi.

Such stories are really better off as manga, rather than dramas. As a drama, it has to be convincing and realistic which I felt was clearly lacking in terms of acting and swindling.

If it was a manga, it would be more easily accepted because people don't look for realism in a manga. Hence, realism can be compromised and the story can be stretched to be more exciting. Good animation/drawing is also easier to achieve as compared to good acting.

The drama version of Kurosagi would be more enjoyable if the cases were a little more complex. I can't tell you how exactly to make it so but I'm sure most people can think of making fake IDs or bank accounts etc. It would be better if they explained how Yamapi did all these stuff. Everything just seems a little too perfect.

The disguises were all pretty silly too. I'd love to see a little more psychological elements involved in the swindling, rather than just physical ones.

It's not just about disguising,disguising is just a part of it,the most important is how was the process....maybe it's because you didn't finish the series that's why you can say that. :sweat: I don't want to create tension here.

Well, I guess you just skipped my entire post and only read the last paragraph. No point for me to continue on so I'm out of this thread.

elinovy wrote: I don't want to create tension here.

Are you sure THAT's what u r doing rite now.. :beaten: We have to accept the fact that not everybody LOVE Kurosagi like we do. estranged is just giving his/her opinion...

:mrgreen: Cheer up!It's not the end of the world!

Honestly speaking,I didn't skip any of your posts.
I'm sorry, I didn't mean to make you angry. :puppydog:
Do I sound rude with my opinions?

estranged wrote:Well, I guess you just skipped my entire post and only read the last paragraph. No point for me to continue on so I'm out of this thread.

:shakehead: Oh my... :dotdotdot:

chiba wrote: :mrgreen: Cheer up!It's not the end of the world!

Apparently for some people it is.

Take a deep breath people... Maybe several.

elinovy wrote:Honestly speaking,I didn't skip any of your posts.
I'm sorry, I didn't mean to make you angry. :puppydog:
Do I sound rude with my opinions?

I'm not angry at you, just kind of disappointed by your reply.

You've mentioned the importance of the swindling process.

elinovy wrote:It's not just about disguising,disguising is just a part of it,the most important is how was the process....

However, I've already raised my disappointment on the swindling process a couple of times in my earlier posts.

estranged wrote:The story is quite interesting on paper but the actual execution is weak. The swindling is unconvincing and the acting leaves much to be desired.

estranged wrote:The swindling processes were like so simple, basic and repetitive that it made this show uninteresting to watch. It just seems as though all the bad guys in the show were all so incredibly naive to have fallen for the swindling.

I've also provided suggestions on how the show should explain more about the swindling process and that it could be more complex, rather than just involve the making of fake IDs or bank accounts, which most people would have thought of.

estranged wrote:The drama version of Kurosagi would be more enjoyable if the cases were a little more complex. I can't tell you how exactly to make it so but I'm sure most people can think of making fake IDs or bank accounts etc. It would be better if they explained how Yamapi did all these stuff. Everything just seems a little too perfect.

I'm not here to pick an argument. Just looking to engage in a discussion on this show. But it just seems as though I'm made to repeat my points over and over again.

Once again, I don't have anything against you, elinovy ;)
I just felt the need to speak up on how this show really is overrated, even though I'm the minority.

estranged wrote:
I just felt the need to speak up on how this show really is overrated, even though I'm the minority.

You really aren't. Trust me. :thumbsup:

I just finished watching the series, it was great, but the ending is not the end if you know what I mean. Does anyone know whether there will be Kurosagi season 2 or not?

You know it is imposible to get upset if you imagine everyones post in a "steve urkel" voice. ;)

As for me I would say Kurosagi is a should see (cause I am a yamapi fan and well I actually like the swindles) as opposed to a Must see (like orange days) or Couldn't Finish (like Motokare or Iguana's Daughter or well I could really list a bunch ; )

You guys are right though everyone has there own preferences cause I liked "To Heart" in which someone else described the Main character as A stalker with puppy eyes or something like that ;). I think lots of shows are overated -- but isn't that what cult classics are all about ... droves of fans for unexplainable reason ...
(are you imagine the urkel voice)

Smi