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My Eternal
Joined: 17 Jul 2005 Posts: 93 Location: California Country: |
Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2005 1:15 am Post subject: |
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tabana wrote: | This is disturbing.
Mostly because of war. They fought a lot. It's almost like France vs England, well maybe not THAT much.
This looks like kids' drawing though. My guess it's left overs from WWII, with grand-parents and parents teaches kids to hate people they never even met.
It's just racism. |
man,when would they ever stop this stupid racism?
between whites and black or korean and japanese and stuff? and i heard that many koreans call japanese people "pigfootjaps (not to offendd anyone) because of their zoori sandals
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tabana
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Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2005 1:41 am Post subject: |
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Tu_triky
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bmwracer
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kitakaze
Joined: 08 Oct 2004 Posts: 2560 Location: San Leandro, CA Country: |
Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2005 3:28 am Post subject: |
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bmwracer wrote: | A loota Asian countries despise Japan because of Japanese Imperialism from the early 1900's up to the end of WWII.
Japanese history guy Kitakaze can elaborate. |
Um...erm...yeah. My favorite part of Japanese history, right? *sound of cicada*
For Korea, it has mainly to do with Japan's annexation of Korea in 1910 as a protectorate, supposedly until it reached sufficient national strength to compete with the West. But really, they tried to "Japanify" Korea. During WWII, they took some Korean women to be "comfort women," and forced some Korean men to serve with the Japanese in battle.
I don't want to say anyone suffered any less, but compared to China, Korea did get off relatively easy during Japan's imperialism. And without justifying it, Japan did exactly what all the other imperialist powers did. Everyone seems to forget the rape and pillaging by British troops in China during the Opium Wars.
I think the best thing for the Japanese government to do, is acknowledging aggression in World War II, the various war crimes committed, and and official Diet apology. Will that help? I don't know. Those Korean children are probably expressing feelings hammered into them by South Korean government propaganda. Remember, South Korea hasn't been a democracy for very long. _________________
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My Eternal
Joined: 17 Jul 2005 Posts: 93 Location: California Country: |
Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2005 6:33 am Post subject: |
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kitakaze wrote: |
Um...erm...yeah. My favorite part of Japanese history, right? *sound of cicada*
For Korea, it has mainly to do with Japan's annexation of Korea in 1910 as a protectorate, supposedly until it reached sufficient national strength to compete with the West. But really, they tried to "Japanify" Korea. During WWII, they took some Korean women to be "comfort women," and forced some Korean men to serve with the Japanese in battle.
I don't want to say anyone suffered any less, but compared to China, Korea did get off relatively easy during Japan's imperialism. And without justifying it, Japan did exactly what all the other imperialist powers did. Everyone seems to forget the rape and pillaging by British troops in China during the Opium Wars.
I think the best thing for the Japanese government to do, is acknowledging aggression in World War II, the various war crimes committed, and and official Diet apology. Will that help? I don't know. Those Korean children are probably expressing feelings hammered into them by South Korean government propaganda. Remember, South Korea hasn't been a democracy for very long. |
i see so that was the reason why but it's all in the past you know?
never knew this aggression would last this long
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raei
Joined: 01 Oct 2005 Posts: 44 Location: Winnipeg, Manitoba Country: |
Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2005 6:50 am Post subject: |
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Yeah. I'm a Canadian of Filipino descent, and it seems that some countries have held strong feelings longer than others. I know that the Philippines suffered the same sort of treatment from Japan during WWII: comfort women, etc... But during my stay in the Philippines, I felt no anti-Japanese feeling whatsoever.
My parents even joke about the stereotype that Filipino women go to Japan to become dancers and the like. But when it comes to things that are Japanese, the Philippines seem indifferent. Japanese products represent quality, endurance. Japanese culture has become somewhat integrated in parts of the Philippines. For example, my mother's dialect has Japanese words integrated into the language. "Honto" and "Ne" are often used.
It's just a human fact that people hate, maybe one day we can move beyond these grudges. For example, we don't hold a grudge towards Germany anymore. We acknowledge that it was the Nazis that committed the crimes. We should acknowledge the fact that it was a different Emperor, who may have been erronous in his thinking, and a different government. I hope one day Asia can learn to forgive.
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My Eternal
Joined: 17 Jul 2005 Posts: 93 Location: California Country: |
Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2005 6:56 am Post subject: |
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raei wrote: | Yeah. I'm a Canadian of Filipino descent, and it seems that some countries have held strong feelings longer than others. I know that the Philippines suffered the same sort of treatment from Japan during WWII: comfort women, etc... But during my stay in the Philippines, I felt no anti-Japanese feeling whatsoever.
My parents even joke about the stereotype that Filipino women go to Japan to become dancers and the like. But when it comes to things that are Japanese, the Philippines seem indifferent. Japanese products represent quality, endurance. Japanese culture has become somewhat integrated in parts of the Philippines. For example, my mother's dialect has Japanese words integrated into the language. "Honto" and "Ne" are often used.
It's just a human fact that people hate, maybe one day we can move beyond these grudges. For example, we don't hold a grudge towards Germany anymore. We acknowledge that it was the Nazis that committed the crimes. We should acknowledge the fact that it was a different Emperor, who may have been erronous in his thinking, and a different government. I hope one day Asia can learn to forgive. |
i'm half filipino and half japanese so in the Philippines (which i stayed over for 9 years)had never hold a grudge against japan
in the philippines,only filipinos are against filipinos no one else for i think
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damouse
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Bud002
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bmwracer
Joined: 07 Jul 2003 Posts: 125547 Location: Juri-chan's speed dial Country: |
Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2005 8:34 am Post subject: |
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My Eternal wrote: | i see so that was the reason why but it's all in the past you know? |
People don't forget those kinda things.
One thing is to make sure that people don't forget, but it's another thing to point an accusing finger at the current generation who really had nothing to do with it aside from being of Japanese descent.
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My Eternal
Joined: 17 Jul 2005 Posts: 93 Location: California Country: |
Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2005 8:52 am Post subject: |
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Terryb wrote: | Difference with the Nazis is that the Germans did acknowledge what they did. The Japanese did not.
That's why the Koreans and Chinese (mostly older generations) "despise" the Japanese because the Japanese government never acknowledged their cruelties in public or made a formal apology. On top of that, they've been teaching fake history that glorifies their actions till even today: IMO that's worst part.
So yeah, I don't blame the people for not knowing. I've had this conversation with a Japanese friend of mine and she was shocked to learn about it.
The problem isn't forgiving, the problem is that the Japanese authorities are lying on purpose, even to their own citizens. |
Naziz are white people who believe in Adolf Hitler right?
well Adolf Hitler actually did more cruel things than the japanese back in the past,he killed all the jews and when the bullets went to a higher price,Hitler put all the jews in a room that was going to be full of poison gas and eventually,he commited suicide with his wife underground besides i spent elementary school in the philippines so i was never taught of japanese history about WW2
although i heard Hitler was half jew
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My Eternal
Joined: 17 Jul 2005 Posts: 93 Location: California Country: |
Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2005 8:56 am Post subject: |
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damouse wrote: | It's the whole WWII thing that made people harbor some sort of animosity towards Japan. Can't really speak for any other countries except for China and Malaysia cos I know history well - but the Japanese had done some pretty cruel things in their time of war.
For China, that was the Nanking massacre where they killed nearly half a million Chinese - treated them like animals and even used them for target-shooting practice. No woman was safe - young and old alike. This applied to Malaysia as well when when grandmother's neighbour's child, who was a mere 10 years-old, was raped so hard that her pelvis bones broke and she died. And not to mention my great-great uncle, who was killed and tortured in front of his family because he refused to reveal the British camp (he was betrayed by people who saw him helping a couple of British soldiers), which subsequently caused the death of my great-great grandfather who had a heart attack. And the soldiers just laughed and laughed, and by some miracle, my grandmother was spared from harm, probably because she was dressed up as a boy to protect herself.
It was just a lot of bad history - it's almost like how the Nazis were towards the European side - it was war and everyone was cruel.
But the era is sort of past - it's just that the older generation could not forget. My grandmother objected so strongly to my parents' marriage because my father is a graduate of Waseda University and spent almost 10 years in Japan. Older people tended to view the Japanese as evil because of they had suffered under the Japanese occupation.
Just my two cents. |
poor girl,i never imagine someone would do that
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My Eternal
Joined: 17 Jul 2005 Posts: 93 Location: California Country: |
Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2005 8:58 am Post subject: |
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ahochaude wrote: | Another thread on the way the rest of Asia sees Japan as?
I'll review the previous thread and if the contents of debate are more or less found to be in a similar fashion, the two threads will be merged. |
ok,no problem
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Bud002
Joined: 30 Sep 2005 Posts: 5 Location: United States Country: |
Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2005 9:02 am Post subject: |
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bmwracer wrote: |
My Eternal wrote wrote: |
i see so that was the reason why but it's all in the past you know?
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People don't forget those kinda things.
One thing is to make sure that people don't forget, but it's another thing to point an accusing finger at the current generation who really had nothing to do with it aside from being of Japanese descent.
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I agree.
dashx wrote: | the world is full of too many beautiful things to go around hating someone forever right |
My hope is that there are more people like you that feel that way than those that feel hate. I'm sure we make up the majority.
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Tu_triky
Joined: 15 Jun 2004 Posts: 46182 Location: Los Skandolous, California Country: |
Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2005 9:11 am Post subject: |
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bmwracer wrote: |
People don't forget those kinda things.
One thing is to make sure that people don't forget, but it's another thing to point an accusing finger at the current generation who really had nothing to do with it aside from being of Japanese descent. |
i agree wholeheartedly...but it's so retarded if you ask the current generation of japanese they don't know jack fuckin' shiet because they aren't taught it in their history classes...to say that current generations of japanese textbooks publish a revisionist view of history would be an understatement.
just to re-emphasize...i agree, DON'T expect ppl to forget that shiet...if you do you are high on fuggin' twelve vials of crack....i.e. jewish efforts seeking reparations from Swiss banks and other European institutions.....
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