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kokuou wrote:

Well, it does, but it's very, very odd.

What you would normally say would be:

–ÚŠo‚Ü‚µŽžŒv‚̉¹‚𗒂̋ȂɃZƒbƒg‚µ‚Ä‚ ‚Á‚āA–ˆ’©‚»‚ê‚Å–Ú‚ªŠo‚ß‚Ü‚·B

It's sounds odd in English as well because you can't really use a song "as" an alarm clock.

I'm not too sure where you want to say "x as y".
Could you give a better example?

As for "wake up s.b. with s.t.", you say

[’N‚©]@‚ð@[‰½‚©]@‚Å‹N‚±‚·B

HTH,

‘‰¤š

Thank you for your help ^_^ I wasn't all too good at expressing what I had in my head in English as well, but seeing your sollution in Japanese, I think the message came through somehow :bonk:

An example of what I ment by "x as y" might be:
~ to threaten someone with a fryingpan as a weapon
~ to use solar energy as primary power source.

I tried to make real sophisticated sentences so maybe no-one notices if the English grammar is incorrect :banghead:

Oh and about the alarm clock. It's actually a cd player with an alarm so that's how it works, but I don't know if it's relevant.

Thanks again! ^_^ ^_^ :woot:

supermidget wrote:

Thank you for your help ^_^ I wasn't all too good at expressing what I had in my head in English as well, but seeing your sollution in Japanese, I think the message came through somehow :bonk:

An example of what I ment by "x as y" might be:
~ to threaten someone with a fryingpan as a weapon
~ to use solar energy as primary power source.

Oh, okay, I get it now :)

In that case, you don't want ‚Æ‚µ‚½, you want to use ‚Æ‚µ‚Ä.

ƒtƒ‰ƒCƒpƒ“‚𕐊í‚Æ‚µ‚āAl‚ð‹º‚©‚· (‚¨‚Ç‚©‚·)

ˆêŽŸ“dŒ¹‚Æ‚µ‚āA‘¾—zƒGƒlƒ‹ƒM[‚ðŽg‚¤B

Those are the example sentences that you wrote above.
There are other ways, but these are the most basic and probably what you are looking for.

HTH,

‘‰¤š

kokuou wrote:

Oh, okay, I get it now :)

In that case, you don't want ‚Æ‚µ‚½, you want to use ‚Æ‚µ‚Ä.

ƒtƒ‰ƒCƒpƒ“‚𕐊í‚Æ‚µ‚āAl‚ð‹º‚©‚· (‚¨‚Ç‚©‚·)

ˆêŽŸ“dŒ¹‚Æ‚µ‚āA‘¾—zƒGƒlƒ‹ƒM[‚ðŽg‚¤B

Those are the example sentences that you wrote above.
There are other ways, but these are the most basic and probably what you are looking for.

HTH,

‘‰¤š

‚ȁ`‚é‚قǁIOQO So ‚Æ‚µ‚Ä is a fixed form after all, which can't be used as an adjectival sentence (like I did saying ‚Æ‚µ‚½). Hmm i think I'm too obsessed by this now, since I already know ways to workaround this... but how would you say the second one, with negative.

1 (I go to Japan as an English teacher)
(‰pŒê‚̐搶‚Æ‚µ‚Ä“ú–{‚֍s‚«‚Ü‚·B)

2 You better not go to Japan as an English teacher, cause your English is not good enough.
‰pŒê‚̃Œƒxƒ‹‚Í‘«‚è‚È‚¢‚©‚çA‰pŒê‚̐搶‚Æ‚µ‚Ä“ú–{‚ɍs‚©‚È‚©‚Á‚½‚Ù‚¤‚ª‚¢‚¢‚Å‚µ‚傤B

not a very friendly sentence but never mind that.

Thanks a million for explaining so well ^_^ :mrgreen:

supermidget wrote:

1 (I go to Japan as an English teacher)
(‰pŒê‚̐搶‚Æ‚µ‚Ä“ú–{‚֍s‚«‚Ü‚·B)

2 You better not go to Japan as an English teacher, cause your English is not good enough.
‰pŒê‚̃Œƒxƒ‹‚Í‘«‚è‚È‚¢‚©‚çA‰pŒê‚̐搶‚Æ‚µ‚Ä“ú–{‚ɍs‚©‚È‚©‚Á‚½‚Ù‚¤‚ª‚¢‚¢‚Å‚µ‚傤B

not a very friendly sentence but never mind that.

Thanks a million for explaining so well ^_^ :mrgreen:

Perfect!
A little note, though.
“ú–{‚ɍs‚©‚È‚¢‚Ù‚¤‚ª‚¢‚¢ is what the last part of your second sentence should read.
Very minor though!
Good job :woot:

‘‰¤š

kokuou wrote:

Perfect!
A little note, though.
“ú–{‚ɍs‚©‚È‚¢‚Ù‚¤‚ª‚¢‚¢ is what the last part of your second sentence should read.
Very minor though!
Good job :woot:

‘‰¤š

Thanks! Yay! I got it near perfect :dancing:

‚ ‚肪‚Æ‚¤A‘‰¤æ¶I‚¨‰A‚³‚Ü‚Å“ú–{Œê‚ª‚»‚ë‚»‚ëã’B‚µ‚Ä‚¢‚é‚ÆŽv‚¢‚Ü‚·@™i^Q^j™

ŸŽè‚É‚±‚±‚Å‚¨Ž×–‚‚·‚é‚ñ‚Å‚·‚ªAŽ¿–₪‚ ‚é‚́B

kokuou wrote:
“ú–{‚ɍs‚©‚È‚¢‚Ù‚¤‚ª‚¢‚¢

I'm not 100% sure about this, but shouldn't there be a "no" before "hou"?
“ú–{‚ɍs‚©‚È‚¢‚Ì‚Ù‚¤‚ª‚¢‚¢i‚ÆŽv‚¤jH

supermidget wrote:
‚¨‰A‚³‚Ü‚Å“ú–{Œê‚ª‚»‚ë‚»‚ëã’B‚µ‚Ä‚¢‚é‚ÆŽv‚¢‚Ü‚·@™i^Q^j™

w‚»‚ë‚»‚ëx‚Á‚āAwIt's timex‚̈Ӗ¡‚¶‚á‚È‚¢‚Å‚·‚©H
—áAw‚»‚ë‚»‚뎞ŠÔ‚¾‚ˁx‚Æ‚©B

M wrote:ŸŽè‚É‚±‚±‚Å‚¨Ž×–‚‚·‚é‚ñ‚Å‚·‚ªAŽ¿–₪‚ ‚é‚́B



w‚»‚ë‚»‚ëx‚Á‚āAwIt's timex‚̈Ӗ¡‚¶‚á‚È‚¢‚Å‚·‚©H
—áAw‚»‚ë‚»‚뎞ŠÔ‚¾‚ˁx‚Æ‚©B

‚»‚ë‚»‚ë means as far as I know "slowly"... usually meaning you are going to do something because time is passing... like

‚»‚ë‚»‚ë‚¢‚«‚Ü‚· "I go slowly" > It might be time to go ~ or something like that... But you're right, maybe it doesn't fit so well in my sentence... should check it out..

As for the ‚Ù‚¤‚ª‚¢‚¢, it definately can't have the particle ‚Ì. No is to make the verb a substantive. A substantive can be joined by another "joining" ‚Ì. But you don't need that cause a verb + noun makes the verb in to an adjectival sentence:

s‚­‚Ì = the one that goes / "going"
s‚­‚Ù‚¤ = the way/side that goes / or the way "of going"

is good:

‚ª‚¢‚¢

s‚­‚Ù‚¤‚ª‚¢‚¢ "The way of going is good"

s‚­‚Ì‚Ù‚¤ is not possible because now there are to nouns together without any joining part between.

supermidget wrote:


‚»‚ë‚»‚ë means as far as I know "slowly"... usually meaning you are going to do something because time is passing... like

‚»‚ë‚»‚ë‚¢‚«‚Ü‚· "I go slowly" > It might be time to go ~ or something like that... But you're right, maybe it doesn't fit so well in my sentence... should check it out..

As for the ‚Ù‚¤‚ª‚¢‚¢, it definately can't have the particle ‚Ì. No is to make the verb a substantive. A substantive can be joined by another "joining" ‚Ì. But you don't need that cause a verb + noun makes the verb in to an adjectival sentence:

s‚­‚Ì = the one that goes / "going"
s‚­‚Ù‚¤ = the way/side that goes / or the way "of going"

is good:

‚ª‚¢‚¢

s‚­‚Ù‚¤‚ª‚¢‚¢ "The way of going is good"

s‚­‚Ì‚Ù‚¤ is not possible because now there are to nouns together without any joining part between.

i see :)

so what about this type of structure -->@A‚æ‚èB‚Ì‚Ù‚¤‚ªD‚«B
or A‚ÆB‚ÆC‚Ì’†‚ŁAB‚Ì‚Ù‚¤‚ªˆê”ԍD‚«B
(i've seen it in my textbook :mrgreen: )

How does it differ from not putting the "no" before the "hou"?

supermidget wrote:
stuff...

Yeah, sorry for the quote, but I didn't wanna quote EVERYTHING :beaten:

Anywho, while@‚»‚ë‚»‚ë does have the meaning, "it's time," your usage is fine.
Although, instead of

‚»‚ë‚»‚ëã’B‚µ‚Ä‚¢‚é...

I would write

‚»‚ë‚»‚ëã’B‚µ‚Ä‚«‚½...

It just sounds more natural.
Or, you could always use ‚¾‚ñ‚¾‚ñ.

As for the ‚Ì before ‚Ù‚¤ after a verb, you are completely right that it is not only unnecessary, it is ungrammatical.

My 2‰~.

HTH,

‘‰¤š

M wrote:

i see :)

so what about this type of structure -->@A‚æ‚èB‚Ì‚Ù‚¤‚ªD‚«B
or A‚ÆB‚ÆC‚Ì’†‚ŁAB‚Ì‚Ù‚¤‚ªˆê”ԍD‚«B
(i've seen it in my textbook :mrgreen: )

How does it differ from not putting the "no" before the "hou"?

In Japanese, one noun cannot directly modify another noun (in most cases), so the ‚Ì is placed there to connect the two nouns together.

However, verbs and adjectives can modify nouns without any help and this is why the ‚Ì is unnecessary.

E.g.:

”L‚Ì–Ñ (neko no ke)
"The cat's fur" (NOUN modifying NOUN)

À‚Á‚Ä‚¢‚é”L (suwatte iru neko)
"A sitting cat" (VERB modifying NOUN)

‘¬‚¢”L (hayai neko)
"A fast cat" (ADJ modifying NOUN)


HTH,

‘‰¤š

oh i see... thank you :)

hi, it's me again! :mrgreen:

i want to know what -nakya means? i heard it a lot of times but my dictionary can't explain to me what it is used for :sweat:

and also, if we want to say "let's take that freedom back" how do we say it in japanese?

kurokage wrote:hi, it's me again! :mrgreen:

i want to know what -nakya means? i heard it a lot of times but my dictionary can't explain to me what it is used for :sweat:

and also, if we want to say "let's take that freedom back" how do we say it in japanese?

`‚È‚«‚á(~nakya) is a colloquial contraction of `‚È‚¯‚ê‚Î (~nakereba), which is the negative conditional `‚Î form.

Not too sure about how to translate that sentence though.

hi guys.. im new here.. i really want to learn japanese.. ive already started by reading dictionaries and books.. but,heck, its really hard to learn the language all by yourself.i even bought a dvd on how to learn japanese.. hope you guys could help me out and im also free to lend you guys some help, ayt?

anyway, do you know any schools or universities in japan that accepts international students?

kodja wrote:hi guys.. im new here.. i really want to learn japanese.. ive already started by reading dictionaries and books.. but,heck, its really hard to learn the language all by yourself.i even bought a dvd on how to learn japanese.. hope you guys could help me out and im also free to lend you guys some help, ayt?

anyway, do you know any schools or universities in japan that accepts international students?

welcome~ :)

yes there are schools/universities in japan that accepts international students. for example, sophia university in tokyo. it's a good english-based college. classes are taught in english, but there are also japanese language classes.

M wrote:

welcome~ :)

yes there are schools/universities in japan that accepts international students. for example, sophia university in tokyo. it's a good english-based college. classes are taught in english, but there are also japanese language classes.

oh.. thats great,its really a pain in the ass tryin to learn japanese on my own.. :banghead:

kodja wrote:

oh.. thats great,its really a pain in the ass tryin to learn japanese on my own.. :banghead:

But it builds character!!! :mrgreen:

Could anyone say me what 'gaisan' means? :puppydog:

kurokage wrote:hi, it's me again! :mrgreen:

i want to know what -nakya means? i heard it a lot of times but my dictionary can't explain to me what it is used for :sweat:

and also, if we want to say "let's take that freedom back" how do we say it in japanese?

vega12 wrote:

`‚È‚«‚á(~nakya) is a colloquial contraction of `‚È‚¯‚ê‚Î (~nakereba), which is the negative conditional `‚Î form.

Not too sure about how to translate that sentence though.

For example:
s‚©‚È‚¯‚ê‚΁@@‚È‚ç‚È‚¢ @ikanakereba naranai ~ (expression) "If I don't go, it doesn't become" => "I have to go"
s‚©‚È‚«‚á@@@‚È‚ç‚È‚¢@ ikanakya naranai ~ Exactly the same, but it's a colloquial form. Compare ‚Å‚Í de ha => ‚¶‚ái‚ j ja(a)

s‚©‚È‚«‚á ikanakya ~ "If I don't go" => "I have to go/ I must go"

You can use this form with any verb, translating it as "(I, you, we) have to ..."

H‚ׂȂ«‚á@@@@@@ tabenakya ~ "I must eat"
‚â‚ç‚È‚«‚á@@@@@@ yaranakya ~ "I have to do it"
‰½‚©‚µ‚È‚«‚á‚ˁI@@@ nanika shinakya ne ~ "We should do something!"

Chou wrote:Could anyone say me what 'gaisan' means? :puppydog:

ŠTŽZ@y‚ª‚¢‚³‚ñz gaisan ~ Rough estimation; approximation

It's the only word pronounced gaisan in the dictionary that I use...

Try using PopJisho, you have to input in Japanese though....