American Football (NFL, College, etc.)

Started by Geezer · 17 Aug 2004 · 4,773 replies

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2 Dec 2004, 22:53 #661
Geezer wrote:

Okay, so I'm a little obsessed. So I pulled the tape out and looked.

"THE CATCH" made the score 28 to 27, Niners.

After the kickoff, Dallas had the ball on their own 25 with 47 seconds left on the clock.

On the first play from scrimmage, Danny White threw an absolutely beautiful pass to Drew Pearson who broke a couple of tackles, and got the ball all the way down to the Niner 45. At the last moment, Eric Wright caught him by the back of the jersey and dragged him down.

On Dallas's second play from scrimmage, with 40 seconds to go, from the Niner 45, White took the snap, dtropped back, and Niner Defensive Tackle Lawrence Pillars broke through the middle, and swatted the ball out of White's hands, as he was putting his helmet square into White's chest, and the ball rolled into the line. (White didn't fumble the snap. It was torn out of his hands while he was being sacked.)

Niner Defensive lineman Jim Stuckey came out of the pile with the ball.

Then the Niners ran out the clock.

Ahhh, those were the days....

Nice recap, Geez. :applaud:
3 Dec 2004, 03:14 #662
Geezer wrote:

Okay, so I'm a little obsessed. So I pulled the tape out and looked.

"THE CATCH" made the score 28 to 27, Niners.

Oh, and I agree with you jholic. Walsh was the wellspring for all the Niner greatness.


I still remember when The Catch happened... I was over at Pasquale's Pizza next to the SF Zoo.
-PCM
3 Dec 2004, 04:00 #663
pcmodem wrote:

I still remember when The Catch happened... I was over at Pasquale's Pizza next to the SF Zoo.
-PCM


I was alone in the California Street apartment I shared with 5 roommates. Raider fans all, they had deserted the place because they said they knew the Niners would blow it.

After cleaning up all the stuff I'd knocked over when Dwight made the catch, I watched the rest of the game, and then I started hearing the car horns blowing out front, and there was this noise coming from the back of the apartment.

Behind the railroad flats on California Street the backyards are all a maze of rickety old wooden staircases, and porches. And when I went out to see what was going on, I found the whole neighborhood out there, on the stairs, on the porches, firing up BBQs and going over the game play by play.

People stayed out there eating, drinking and bragging about how long they'd been Niner fans until it was way too dark, and way too cold.

That game is one of my favorite memories of the City.
3 Dec 2004, 07:00 #664
Geezer wrote:(White didn't fumble the snap. It was torn out of his hands while he was being sacked.)

ah, i stand corrected. i must have 'selective' memory. that and i haven't watched that game since '81. (i doubt any cowboy fan would).

i guess it might be awhile before there's any celebrating in the streets for sf or dallas.

on another note, i guess ricky williams isn't coming back to the nfl, huh?
3 Dec 2004, 07:24 #665
jholic wrote:on another note, i guess ricky williams isn't coming back to the nfl, huh?
not when theres more dope to smoke... :shakehead:
3 Dec 2004, 08:58 #666
niko2x wrote:not when theres more dope to smoke... :shakehead:


They were talking about williams on nfl live today, the guy has 3 kids with 3 different woman and he doesn't even care about the monetary problems he will soon have if he doesn't come back. He's one messed up guy right now. Too bad he isn't coming back either, it would have been nice having him in a raider's uniform. What a waste of talent.
3 Dec 2004, 09:14 #667
Ricky havin 3 kids wit 3 different woman....man dat guy is one horny bastard who doesn't know how 2 control his out of control hormones. But due u think he would've really helped da raiders?? I dun recall him doin much for Miami, besides helpin them not having a losin record like they have right now
3 Dec 2004, 09:55 #668
K.T.Tran wrote:Ricky havin 3 kids wit 3 different woman....man dat guy is one horny bastard who doesn't know how 2 control his out of control hormones. But due u think he would've really helped da raiders?? I dun recall him doin much for Miami, besides helpin them not having a losin record like they have right now


Well the Raiders would be the one team that might actually fit him. And I'm sure the league would probably think that too. He's still a 1000 yard rusher and his still a threat and the Raiders are the worst running team this year so pretty much anything would be an upgrade to Wheatley and a committee of Fargas and Zeroue. Hec I'd take Clarrett if I need to. The one thing about the Raider is that they'll take just about any body as long as they can win with them :hehe: :hehe: :hehe: :hehe: :hehe:
3 Dec 2004, 10:31 #669
eltinator wrote:Too bad he isn't coming back either, it would have been nice having him in a raider's uniform. What a waste of talent.

well, i don't condone any drug-taking. i really feel most people make lame excuses for taking drugs. but in ricky's case, i do feel for the guy. i mean, he's medically diagnosed with a social disorder condition. i still don't think that's a reason to be puffin' high, and he should seek other alternatives (he probably will after he sees how much he's dishin' out in alimony). but with a condition like that - in the world of the nfl, that's just such a sad situation. i personally do feel that he should just seek out what's best for himself, even if it means 'wasting' his talent and remaining away from the nfl.
3 Dec 2004, 11:17 #670
K.T.Tran wrote:Ricky havin 3 kids wit 3 different woman....man dat guy is one horny bastard who doesn't know how 2 control his out of control hormones

Sad to say, but he's far from the only horndog in sports....
3 Dec 2004, 11:25 #671
eltinator wrote:Well the Raiders would be the one team that might actually fit him.

Anytime there's some oddball guy in the NFL, he immediately becomes a "fit" for the Raiders... :shakehead:

Al Davis should rename the team the Misfits or the Outcasts...

The Raiders were a solid team in the 60's-80's with guys like Lamonica, Blanda, Biletnikoff, Allen, Plunkett, Guy, etc... Now they're a running joke of table scraps and leftovers... How sad.
3 Dec 2004, 14:38 #672
bmwracer wrote:
Anytime there's some oddball guy in the NFL, he immediately becomes a "fit" for the Raiders... :shakehead:

Al Davis should rename the team the Misfits or the Outcasts...

The Raiders were a solid team in the 60's-80's with guys like Lamonica, Blanda, Biletnikoff, Allen, Plunkett, Guy, etc... Now they're a running joke of table scraps and leftovers... How sad.


Hey I don't mind collecting players who have outside issues but are still good players. But at least Al Davis does something for the team instead of trying to save money and crap. On paper this Raider team looked pretty good, too bad it didn't materialize but next year for sure. I wouldn't say they're a joke or table scraps though, you think playoff contending teams like the Broncos actually "want" to play the Raiders this late in the season? Hec no, this team is still dangerous. Say what you want about the Raiders, too bad LA doesn't have a team for me to rag on :P
3 Dec 2004, 15:33 #673
Elton and BMW,

I'll give the Raiders this much. Big Al tried. He always tries. He's always willing to do something to make the team better, and screw the cap, and screw whatever anyone else thinks.

Unlike one other Bay Area NFL team that shall go nameless in this post.

On paper, I thought he'd really improved the team before the season started.

The only clanger I saw was the investment in Collins. As an athlete and a big armed passer, he's always been great. But I've never thought he was much of a Quarter Back.

It's a damned shame Ganon and Gruden found each other so late in Ganon's career. Man, that guy got stuck wasting most of his career sitting on the bench with the Viks and KC.

Anyway... as much as I dislike the Raiders, I'm betting that, at least on offense, they're gonna be pretty damned good next season. Turner is a good coach. They've put together a very nice offensive line. Their young WRs have used this season to establish themselves. Now they just need a franchise RB to take the pressure off Collins.

On defense? Well, if they wanted to get better stopping the run, signing Sapp was an odd move.

But as long as Al has a checkbook and a pen, he'll be willing to roll the dice again this off season.

Damn, I'm feeling a bit jealous.
3 Dec 2004, 16:37 #674
Geezer wrote:
The only clanger I saw was the investment in Collins. As an athlete and a big armed passer, he's always been great. But I've never thought he was much of a Quarter Back.

It's a damned shame Ganon and Gruden found each other so late in Ganon's career. Man, that guy got stuck wasting most of his career sitting on the bench with the Viks and KC.


I wasn't a big fan of the Collins signing either but I figured Gannon is getting up there in age and he will need a successor. I've always liked Gannon since he's not too great of an athlete but he's smart and he hates losing. Guys like him and Brady I'm fans of because they flat out just play hard and win even though they don't have the Manning god-like talent. Although the only thing about getting Collins that did give me a somewhat good feeling was that Gannon wasn't much in KC and it was only til he got to the Raiders until he turned into an MVP QB, so I'm hoping Collins could also get on a similar track with that. Although I'm still hoping that Gannon can come back and play next year which isn't likely...

Geezer wrote:
Anyway... as much as I dislike the Raiders, I'm betting that, at least on offense, they're gonna be pretty damned good next season. Turner is a good coach. They've put together a very nice offensive line. Their young WRs have used this season to establish themselves. Now they just need a franchise RB to take the pressure off Collins.

On defense? Well, if they wanted to get better stopping the run, signing Sapp was an odd move.

But as long as Al has a checkbook and a pen, he'll be willing to roll the dice again this off season.

Damn, I'm feeling a bit jealous.


I think Al Davis signed Sapp similar to the way Mark Cuban signs basketball players. If they're a big name get em. Sapp's more of a pass rusher than a run stopper but I still like the big fella even though they're playing him against the run. They do have the mountain Ted Washington too but too bad mountains don't move really fast. I wish that bone head Chris Cohen would actually get some guts and sign people for the Warriors :hehe: :hehe:
3 Dec 2004, 16:47 #675
Elton,

You're comment about Gannon not being a great athlete is what I'm talking about when I said he wasted his time on the bench with the Viks and KC

Gannon came into the league on his athletic prowess. Heck, half his problems came from the fact taht his coaches always wanted to turn him into a safety.

Fans who only saw him playing with the Raiders might not realize that the guy was every bit as fast, and as good a runner as Steve Young When he was younger.

Heck, the guy was still running sub 4.5 40s when he was with KC.

Time and age just caught up with him before he got to Oakland.
3 Dec 2004, 16:53 #676
Geezer wrote:Elton,

You're comment about Gannon not being a great athlete is what I'm talking about when I said he wasted his time on the bench with the Viks and KC

Gannon came into the league on his athletic prowess. Heck, half his problems came from the fact taht his coaches always wanted to turn him into a safety.

Fans who only saw him playing with the Raiders might not realize that the guy was every bit as fast, and as good a runner as Steve Young When he was younger.

Heck, the guy was still running sub 4.5 40s when he was with KC.

Time and age just caught up with him before he got to Oakland.


I probably shouldn't have used the word athelete there :sweat:

What I meant was a QB that doesn't have a deep arm like Favre or Manning. But yea, I totally agree that he's an excellent runner. :D
3 Dec 2004, 21:59 #677
K.T.Tran wrote: I dun recall him doin much for Miami...
are you kidding? in the 2 yrs that he was in miami, he ONLY led the league in yardage in his 1st yr with about 1800, and in the 2nd, still had almost 1400 yds. Altho i don't care too much for him as a player, i gotta admit, he DID help me with my fantasy teams... :mrgreen:
3 Dec 2004, 23:02 #678
eltinator wrote:Say what you want about the Raiders, too bad LA doesn't have a team for me to rag on :P

Even when the Raiders were in L.A. we didn't have a team. :P :hehe:


I could care less if we did or didn't have a team at this point: we're knee deep anyways with two basketball and baseball teams...
4 Dec 2004, 01:53 #679
bmwracer wrote:
Anytime there's some oddball guy in the NFL, he immediately becomes a "fit" for the Raiders... :shakehead:

Al Davis should rename the team the Misfits or the Outcasts...

The Raiders were a solid team in the 60's-80's with guys like Lamonica, Blanda, Biletnikoff, Allen, Plunkett, Guy, etc... Now they're a running joke of table scraps and leftovers... How sad.


A couple years ago I exchanged e-mails with Pat Toomay, author of On Any Given Sunday and a DL with the Oakland Raiders back in the late 1970s.

He said the most noticeable difference between the Raiders of today versus the old Raiders (pre-1984) are:

1. The NFL's and TV's emphasis on teams having "Star" players
2. Lack of team ethic in comparison to the old days
3. Players not living up to their individual responibilities

He wrote that while the old Raiders of the late 1970s were infamous for their brawls and partying... I still remember the stories about Stabler and the 'Tus on Bourbon Street :naughty:... the players never for a second forgot what their responsibilities were and understood the sacrifices they would have to make to help the team succeed.

When I think of NFL teams today that are a throwback to the old days, in terms of not emphasizing star players, having a strong team ethic, and players living up to their responsibilities, one team does come to mind:

The New England Patriots


Character matters,
PCM
4 Dec 2004, 02:37 #680
pcmodem wrote:
When I think of NFL teams today that are a throwback to the old days, in terms of not emphasizing star players, having a strong team ethic, and players living up to their responsibilities, one team does come to mind:

The New England Patriots


Character matters,
PCM


Yea Go Pats! And that's the reason why I'm picking them to win it all this year. The Pats are like the NFL version of the Spurs. So disiciplined and so hard to beat. They simply play football like how it's supposed to be played.

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