Video Recording/Playback/Editing/Converting/etc.

I used tmpgenc to demux. That was my missing bit.

Then I got everything in Sony DVD architect to work. I'm going to like it I think. Once I pointed to the demuxed video and audio and the subtitle files.... in one shot it put out the merged mpeg2 file....

One problem remains. I can't seem to control the font and color of the subtitles in architect.

Actually it was DiVXLand Subtitler I have ;) You can change font, color etc with it as well as convert & edit.

http://www.divxland.org/subtitler.php

BOGCHI wrote:wait.. why not just use Nero...
I dont really know the problem
but Nero seemed to be the easiest DVD author I've used.

Uhmm......because Nero Vision Express can't add subtitles to your dvd-video, unless you would hardsub your raw video and encode it and lose some video quality. :sweat:

Anime Dad wrote:Actually it was DiVXLand Subtitler I have ;) You can change font, color etc with it as well as convert & edit.

http://www.divxland.org/subtitler.php

That, or if you already have your merged output then try using DVDSubedit. :)

ralphm1999 wrote:I like that documentation.... I will try it. :bow:

Word of caution: that list was a summary... It'll take some floundering to figure out the settings and stuff.

If you need more details or have specific questions, feel free to ask. :)

Saito_Hajime wrote:

Uhmm......because Nero Vision Express can't add subtitles to your dvd-video, unless you would hardsub your raw video and encode it and lose some video quality.

ohhhh... I noticed that too.. but it's still watchable and pretty good quality too.. but okay I see

Anime Dad wrote:Actually it was DiVXLand Subtitler I have ;) You can change font, color etc with it as well as convert & edit.

http://www.divxland.org/subtitler.php

I used divxland subtitler to sync my subs to the raw video. But it does not merge the two files togheter. Once I synched the subs then I use architect to merge everything. But no matter what font or color I assign architect insists on reverting back to a default white... the help file says you can alter the font ... sadly what the help file says does not work in practice (as yet).

Saito_Hajime wrote:

Uhmm......because Nero Vision Express can't add subtitles to your dvd-video, unless you would hardsub your raw video and encode it and lose some video quality.

Is there another hardsubber software that doesn't?

BOGCHI wrote:Is there another hardsubber software that doesn't?

Not possible: hardsubbing a video involves re-encoding the video to incorporate the subtitles into the video, so there is degradation.

Whether or not it is noticable depends on the compression level and encoder used... Also, hardsubbing an MPEG2 files seems to always introduce "mosquito noise" in and around the subtitle text... :sweat:

ralphm1999 wrote:Then I got everything in Sony DVD architect to work.

Those Do-It-All packages always seem to be buggy in some way... Like so many things, they give up something in order to be convenient. :sweat:

bmwracer wrote:
Word of caution: that list was a summary... It'll take some floundering to figure out the settings and stuff.

If you need more details or have specific questions, feel free to ask. :)

ok. I used Muxman. Everything worked pretty good EXCEPT I can't get the color to change from an ugly darkish purple no matter what I set in srtotsup. I set the global and I set the non-global to give me a nice yellow... no dice. any ideas? :bonk:

ralphm1999 wrote:ok. I used Muxman. Everything worked pretty good EXCEPT I can't get the color to change from an ugly darkish purple no matter what I set in srtotsup. I set the global and I set the non-global to give me a nice yellow... no dice. any ideas? :bonk:

I think I had the same problem... Get everything completed, then make the subtitle color change at the end, using DVDSubEdit.

From past experience, I've left the subtitle colors alone until the end, then let DVDSubEdit do its thing to the VTS_xx_xx.VOB files. :victory:


Now when hardsubbing AVIs using VirtualDub and VobSub, you wanna set your colors before the actual hardsub takes place....

bmwracer wrote:
I think I had the same problem... Get everything completed, then make the subtitle color change at the end, using DVDSubEdit.

From past experience, I've left the subtitle colors alone until the end, then let DVDSubEdit do its thing to the VTS_xx_xx.VOB files. :victory:


Now when hardsubbing AVIs using VirtualDub and VobSub, you wanna set your colors before the actual hardsub takes place....

I tried a fast run with DVDSubEdit. Thought I changed the color but no dice. I guess I'll have to read the help file.... It's not intuitive. :shakehead:

bmwracer wrote:
Not possible: hardsubbing a video involves re-encoding the video to incorporate the subtitles into the video, so there is degradation.

Whether or not it is noticable depends on the compression level and encoder used... Also, hardsubbing an MPEG2 files seems to always introduce "mosquito noise" in and around the subtitle text... :sweat:

well.. how come the hardsubs from JTV (or any fansubbers who makes hardsubs) their Hardsubbed Dramas looks pretty clear

BOGCHI wrote:
well.. how come the hardsubs from JTV (or any fansubbers who makes hardsubs) their Hardsubbed Dramas looks pretty clear

As bmwracer said, it depends on how they compress the video and what encoder they use. My bet is that Xvid is what they use for compression (via virtualdub) and use 2-pass encoding to have full control of the output size and to produce the best quality encoding (for that particular output size). But this doesn't mean there was no quality lost, they just minimized the degradation of the video. I'm sure if you have seen the original video, you'll see that there is a difference in quality between the dvd-ripped (encoded to avi) and the original dvd.

ralphm1999 wrote:I tried a fast run with DVDSubEdit. Thought I changed the color but no dice. I guess I'll have to read the help file.... It's not intuitive. :shakehead:

Yeah, most of this software isn't intuitive at all... Lotsa trial and error.

When changing the color of the subs using DVDSubEdit:

1. Make sure you load the entire episode/movie by selecting "File--Open Full Domain"
2. After you've made you color mods, select "Edit--Apply Last Modifications to All"
3. Finally, click "File--Save All Modifications" and you should be done.
4. Verify results. :)

bmwracer wrote:
Yeah, most of this software isn't intuitive at all... Lotsa trial and error.

When changing the color of the subs using DVDSubEdit:

1. Make sure you load the entire episode/movie by selecting "File--Open Full Domain"
2. After you've made you color mods, select "Edit--Apply Last Modifications to All"
3. Finally, click "File--Save All Modifications" and you should be done.
4. Verify results. :)

I did and everything worked fine EXCEPT:

When I went to watch the episode I found missing lines. I surmise that
srt2sub simply eliminates overlapping lines without giving you a chance to fix them. So now back to the drawing board to find out how to reinstate the missing lines. I think I know how; Media subtitler does an error check and fixes overlaps... so it's back to the beginning... let it fix the overlaps and then see if they make it through the entire long chain intact.
will advise. Right now I need to take a night off from this exercize that I've been working for over a week.... I pretty much know now all the shortcomings of the current popular subtitler programs... :nut: :grumble:

ralphm1999 wrote:When I went to watch the episode I found missing lines. I surmise that
srt2sub simply eliminates overlapping lines without giving you a chance to fix them. So now back to the drawing board to find out how to reinstate the missing lines.

I'd search through the videohelp.com forums... Or many you should ask that question in the forum...

bmwracer wrote:
I'd search through the videohelp.com forums... Or many you should ask that question in the forum...

I laboriously went through the sub file. Where there were many quick short lines, he had the beginning time and ending time of the previous line with the identical time stamp. :beatyou: It looks like some subtitle merger softwares can live with that and others are too finicky. I went through the segment and bumped each identical time stamp by 1 microsecond and that seems to have cured the problem.... I don't know if I have the fortitude to do that for 11 episodes.... :grumble: :bleh:

ralphm1999 wrote:I laboriously went through the sub file. Where there were many quick short lines, he had the beginning time and ending time of the previous line with the identical time stamp. :beatyou: It looks like some subtitle merger softwares can live with that and others are too finicky. I went through the segment and bumped each identical time stamp by 1 microsecond and that seems to have cured the problem.... I don't know if I have the fortitude to do that for 11 episodes.... :grumble: :bleh:

I can't understand why srt2sup would do that... Though, I haven't used the software that often to see that problem.

And I can't say I saw the problem when I tried it on that MPEG2 clip you sent me... :headscratch:

Geez, that's such a P.I.T.A.

Thanks for all the updates Ralph, i'm sure they will help lots of people in the future.