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PostPosted: Wed Dec 13, 2006 10:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

There's a program for the Playstation Portable?
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 13, 2006 11:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Yes, but you need an old PSP or maybe a new one, but it has to be hacked.

My soft was Katakana Quiz and hiragana quiz, but it seems there's a new one called Japanese Flashcards v1.5 with the 1st two and level 4 kanji. Mostly pictures and must be used with Lua Player.

I know there's a Windows port, but I never tried it.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 18, 2006 4:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

I have managed to "get" the differences between shi and tsu, and so and n/m.

Reading kurokage's hints made me realize to look out for certain things, and after applying myself, I think I can tell the differences in most cases.

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 18, 2006 5:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

I want to know what's the difference between the following, if any?

�B�B�B���āB
�B�B�B�ƌ����Ă܂����B
�B�B�B�ƌ����܂����B

Thanks.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 26, 2006 1:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

RedRum wrote:
I want to know what's the difference between the following, if any?

�B�B�B���āB
�B�B�B�ƌ����Ă܂����B
�B�B�B�ƌ����܂����B

Thanks.


�B�B�B���āB is basic expression, especially in conversation. This style is called Te-style.
But you seem to want to know difference and not want to know General Te-style.
Then I prepare assumption that you want to know differences between next expressions.

f1�@�u�B�B�B�v���āB
f2�@�u�B�B�B�v�ƌ����Ă��܂����B
f3�@�u�B�B�B�v�ƌ����܂����B

0.�@In short
F1 is usually free for care style.
F2 is f1 + say(������) + progressive form + courtesy + past( or assertion )
F3 is f1 + say(����) + courtesy + past( or assertion )

----- If you are interested in Japanese language. -----

1�DOmission of (����/����)
F1 is endless form. Then, f1 may the omission of f2, f3,,,,,, and so on.
F2 and f3 has the information that �u�B�B�B�vis �gsaid�h, but f1 has no information. Then in f1, �u�B�B�B�v may be written or be declared or be promised or be believed�c
Why f1 is luck of this information by speaker? There are some reasons. Maybe the best simple reason is those information is obvious for talker and listener. ( Or there may be some reasons why talker doesn�ft want to say it psychologically. ) Then if you hear f1, firstly if you need more information or not and check how talker say so ( moody, with anger, assertion�c. Etc ). But I guess the world is not so plenty of surprise.. Then f1 is usually free for care style.
F2 and f3 has the information. Why talker say �g������/�����h? First case is that �gsaid�h is not obvious for listener or is denied by listener. Then talker need to say �g�����āh or �g�����h and in a sense this is strong assertion in some case. The talker who uses f1 doesn�ft want assertion that you someone �gsays�h. ( maybe he is not interested in surprising his friends�c ) Second case is that talker wants to add next information as decorative style of verb(����/����)

F3 is ����(verb) + �܂�(auxiliary verb / courtesy ) + ��(auxiliary verb / assertion or past)
F2 is ����(verb) + ��(particle) + ��(subsidiary verb / progressive form) +�@�܂�(auxiliary verb / courtesy ) +�@��(auxiliary verb / assertion or past)

Japanese sentence is mainly based on verbal phrase. Basically this phrase is placed last part of sentence. But because of Japanese language is not Latin based language, Phrase order is not so important. Then especially in conversation, omission has different meaning mainly that is depend on context ( who, when , how the conversation is made ) and psychological reason.

2 auxiliary verb and progressive form
These are easy grammer for understanding the difference.

2-1 style of verbs
Basic endless form is Te-style.
Teiru-style is endless progressive form.( f2 is based this style )
( Te-style and Teiru-style is usually used for learning Japanese not for grammer exam, linguistics. There is a lot of method of teach/learn Japanese. )

2-2 auxiliary verbs and its complex
�܂� is auxiliary verb of courtesy.
�� is auxiliary verb of assertion or past.
�܂� + �� = �܂���

2-3
Te-style + �܂� = �Ă܂�
Teiru-style + �܂�= �Ă��܂�
Te-style + �� = ��
Teiru-style + �� = ����
Te-style + �܂��� = �Ă܂���
Teiru-style + �܂��� = �Ă��܂���
( Strictly speaking, �� is abbreviation of ����. )

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Sorry my poor English. And tonight I have excessive drinking..
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 28, 2006 12:02 am    Post subject: Use of Ik_ Reply with quote Back to top

hey this is my first post here at jdorama!

Anyway I have a question, well I've been learning on my own by associating words with the translations I see and I have a question,

So I know that Ike and Iku both mean or are related to the meaning Go, but I was wondering, what is the difference between the two? And does Ika mean Go also? I know I ka is asking if it's okay so I'm unsure about that. Thanks! Mr Green
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 28, 2006 4:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Wow omg thanks a lot for the detailed explanation snowmackerel. Bow I am still trying to absorb it though. But thanks again.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 2:16 pm    Post subject: Kanji and Hiragana/Katangana characters together? Reply with quote Back to top

I just started to learn japanese but there's one part that confused me even until now.Some Kanji words had their respective Hiragana or Katagana words written in smaller fonts above the Kanji words.So must I write Hiragana on top of the Kanji words?
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 10:17 pm    Post subject: Re: Kanji and Hiragana/Katangana characters together? Reply with quote Back to top

ben_galahad wrote:
I just started to learn japanese but there's one part that confused me even until now.Some Kanji words had their respective Hiragana or Katagana words written in smaller fonts above the Kanji words.So must I write Hiragana on top of the Kanji words?


No no, that's what I think is called Furigana. Basically how the kanji is supposed to be pronounced Smile So you shouldn't write the hiragana above the kanji.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 6:41 pm    Post subject: Qns abt ���� vs ������ Reply with quote Back to top

im utterly confused over ���� & �����āB Hope to get some help here.

Got this question in one of my homework. I meant to write: "It is difficult to speak Japanese quickly." And so, I wrote: ���{��͑����b����ł��BBut when I got my homework back, my �搶 wrote that it should be: ���{��͑����Ęb����ł��B

�� is added to ���� & I have no clue why. I thought to connect ��-adj to another verb/adj, we just have to drop �� & add �� ?
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 6:40 pm    Post subject: Re: Qns abt ���� vs ������ Reply with quote Back to top

IniQx wrote:
im utterly confused over ���� & �����āB Hope to get some help here.

Got this question in one of my homework. I meant to write: "It is difficult to speak Japanese quickly." And so, I wrote: ���{��͑����b����ł��BBut when I got my homework back, my �搶 wrote that it should be: ���{��͑����Ęb����ł��B

�� is added to ���� & I have no clue why. I thought to connect ��-adj to another verb/adj, we just have to drop �� & add �� ?


Personally, I would have written something along the following lines:

���{��𑁂��b���̂�����ł��B

It's hard to explain why your original sentence is wrong; just remember that that construction is ungrammatical.

The sentence your teacher provided (with the �� ), while it conveys basically the same meaning that you were trying to say, what it's really saying is something like, "The Japanese language tends to be one that is spoken quickly, making it difficult to articulate."

Usually, when you have an adverb or verb in the �� form and then followed immediately by another adverbial or verb phrase, it means that the second half of the sentence is that way because of the reason stated in the first half.
Here's an example to facilitate that overly verbose explanation Sweat :

�������ɂ��āA�a�@�ɂ����܂����B
(I went to the hospital because my stomach hurt.)

�搶�̘b�������āA������ɂ����ł��B
("The teacher speaks so fast it is hard to understand." OR "It is hard to understand the teacher because s/he speaks fast.")

HTH,

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 2:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Can anyone confirm what �g�R�g�R�@means? (tokotoko)

It's on a wind-up Domo-kun I have, so does it mean "wind-up"?

On the label, it says �g�R�g�R�ǁ[������
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 3:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Keps wrote:
Can anyone confirm what �g�R�g�R�@means? (tokotoko)

It's on a wind-up Domo-kun I have, so does it mean "wind-up"?

On the label, it says �g�R�g�R�ǁ[������


means to run/walk with short steps. Mr Green
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 3:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

kenjilina wrote:


means to run/walk with short steps. Mr Green


Really? Thanks for that, Kenjilina. One more question - what other situations might �g�R�g�R be used in?

*looks at Kenjilina's profile* Ahhh, a fellow Yorkshireperson!
Tha's reet helpful, tha knows. Mr Green
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 5:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Keps wrote:


Really? Thanks for that, Kenjilina. One more question - what other situations might �g�R�g�R be used in?

*looks at Kenjilina's profile* Ahhh, a fellow Yorkshireperson!
Tha's reet helpful, tha knows. Mr Green


i guess tokotoko is describing the way your toy walks.
you could say about a child in a playground - 'kodomo ga tokotoko hashitteru' describing the way the kid is running.

viva la yorkshire! w00t!
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 19, 2007 2:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

kenjilina wrote:


i guess tokotoko is describing the way your toy walks.
you could say about a child in a playground - 'kodomo ga tokotoko hashitteru' describing the way the kid is running.

viva la yorkshire! w00t!


Thanks again for your help!

And...Yorkshire - well, I haven't lived there for a few years, but I can still thee and tha with the best of them. hehe
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 5:15 pm    Post subject: hello! Reply with quote Back to top

what d you mean when you say "aesteru yo"?
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 5:36 pm    Post subject: Re: hello! Reply with quote Back to top

yumide wrote:
what d you mean when you say "aesteru yo"?


isn't it Aisteru yo


Its suppose to mean "I love you"

or along that line
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 10:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

What is the best way too learn Kanji? I now have Kanji the Manga, but I'm looking for more ways too learn more/better.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 29, 2007 6:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

learning kanji from song lyrics really help me a lot. it's easier to remember kanji and how it's spelled if you like the songs. i suggest you do it too ^^
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